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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

[Drops flyers with warning message saying "we will attack soon; flee, those who can!"]

[Attacks the refugee camps, oh and also hospitals]

100% assholes. 👌 Equal to or worse than the Russians, I swear to freaking God.

[–] prole 18 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I don't think I remember hearing about Russians bombing Ukrainian refugee camps (though I could have missed it).

Seems like Putin sees civilians as an inconvenience that get in the way of his goals. For Netanyahu, it seems as though killing the civilians is the goal. I would say that the latter is objectively worse (though they are both pieces of shit).

[–] VR20X6 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Russia intentionally bombed a ton of civilian targets with zero military value. It's weird that you don't remember this. There's even a lengthy Wikipedia article specifically about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_civilians_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, I seem to remember a lot of cruise missiles hitting apartments and schools.

[–] VR20X6 8 points 1 year ago

That's exactly what came immediately to mind for me as well.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Russia is bombing no less indiscriminately than Israel, it's just a much larger theater of war, their aiming capabilities suck and their shit gets shot down a lot before ever reaching anything.

They do the exact same thing day in day out. Taking out a cluster of civilians is probably worth an extra ration of vodka or even worse, a promotion, at this point.

Two wars of terror, if you want. Irony is stone cold dead at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Putin sees civilians as an inconvenience that get in the way of his goals. For Netanyahu, it seems as though killing the civilians is the goal

Yes exactly, that was basically my point, that Israel is actively attacking civilians almost exclusively (it feels like to me anyway).

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (37 children)

I see ads in TV that are pro Isreal now with Santa crying because of Hamas kidnapped people. I know it's what about ism but not really moral high ground here when IDF literally wipes whole familes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its not what-about-ism.

Being accused of attacking civilians and saying the enemy is attacking civilians to divert attention is what-about-ism.

Crying that the enemy is attacking civilians while you are also attacking civilians is hypocrisy.

Calling out your own/allied government for attacking civilians and trying to hold them accountable even if the enemy attacks civilians as well is being a good person.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

At what point does this go from being a counter terrorist operation to a genocide?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

A long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

🔫 Always has been

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It’s been a genocide since the Nakba. The US just refuses to call it that because we’re funding the damn thing.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

A lot of comments are saying that hamas hides behind civilians but from what I see and read hamas and civilians are a melting pot that is interwined due to the extreme oppression in gaza strip. Any palestinian civilian could understand and help or even just not condemn totally hamas due to their conditions and prolly Israel gladly label as hamas any slightly suspect palestinian top

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

If you know that your enemy is hiding behind civilians and still kill the civilians, you're the bad guy.

It's a piss poor excuse for murder.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Though You're mostly right, it's missing a key part: the Israeli government has actively worked to make it this way, sponsoring Hamas with money and help because they wanted this. If you have an extremist organization so intertwined in the civil population, you can just go and murder them all.

Hamas is evil, but the Israeli government is arguably worse

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

An army should go around civilians to get to their enemy, not through them.

[–] MarcoPOLO 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

yes but then that won't achieve Israeli goals

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's pretty fucked up

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