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Cummins pickup truck engines systematically tricked air pollution controls, feds say (www.usatoday.com)

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They basically all did it, some just got caught earlier. I said it back when they all hit on Volkswagen: It is not like that all the other companies have found the magic trick to get emissions miraculously down, and just VW was to stupid to find it somehow, and had to cheat. This time it's Cummins they caught. All you have to do is look closely, and you'll find that they cheat, because in reality, none of them have that magic trick.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

That's what diesel exhaust fluid is for, it reduces NOx emissions.

The VW engines were small and didn't have DEF, so everyone was like "how did you reduce NOx enough to meet U.S. EPA standards?" And VW was like "we're just super smart like that", which turned out to be bullshit.

Cummins knew better and had better emissions controls available, so this is full on stupid on their part.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (24 children)

in reality, none of them have that magic trick.

Yes they do. It's called an electric motor. But that requires revitalizing infrastructure in order to accommodate fast charging across an urban landscape so utility trucks can top up whenever needed. And, of course, a company like Cummins being willing to make them.

But we can't get off that oil teat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's called walking, better than any car. Having cars in major cities is so stupid. And before you say contractors need to have trucks, sure the do. But, I'm tired of companies sending out service vehicles to make almost 200 mile round trips, just so the competitor doesn't get the job.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This is about utility vehicles, which are needed in cities even with robust transportation systems. Cargo still needs to be hauled the last mile.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Okay and everywhere else?

I'd love for cities to go full on mass transit. Even bringing in light freight to business areas so restaurants and the like could just use a handcart. But there's a lot of people and businesses in the US that will never cover.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Although these trucks are regularly bought just for vanity, they’re also the go-to trucks for cross country hauling. And regardless of infrastructure, current electric tech doesn’t do so hot there.

Although, part of their draw compared to others in their class was that they had the “best engines”…

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[–] RvTV95XBeo 42 points 1 year ago

If I'm doing my math right, $1.675B/630k vehicles is around $2.5k/vehicle. Barely cutting into the profits on what I assume is Dodge's most successful line.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The shocking part about this is that they installed a dedicated defeat device and expected no one to notice. Come on guys, cars are software, if you want to end run the emissions standards just write more creative code.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

that's literally what vw did

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but poorly. And even then it took at least 8 years to get caught. With a little creative thinking in the software design, there’s little chance another attempt would ever be discovered.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Well here's hoping they don't do that

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And then there's no admission of wrongdoing in the settlement. Wtf

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can't let our customers access the EMS! They'll spoof emissions! /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe 1% of 1% of people would actual play with their cars and tune them. Even then, most wouldn't make the cars into polluting machines.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I think it'd be significantly more than that, but that's probably bias from the kind of people I tend to be around. I'm thinking maybe as much as 5%.

That said however, we do have the assholes who like to "roll coal".

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if enforcing the destruction of human-viable-planet could be considered either

Crime Against Humanity

or, an

Act of Terrorism

They escalate to kill more of the next-generation,

then ENFORCE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THEIR ACTUAL CRIME, if integrity is still any part of the "law" that is held to "rule".

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Oh, haha, first time in capitalism, huh?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess they did see it cummin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I came here for this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I came

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean rolling coal on bubba’s F350 wasn’t supposed to do that Freedom Cloud™️?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

RAM is made by Dodge. F350 is Ford.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

... hundreds of thousands of 2013 to 20199 RAM 2500 and 3500 pickup trucks.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. They really have those future sales locked in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

that will be 35cents fine which your company can pay with loans over the next 9999 years thank you

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They should also look at the 5.0 liter Cummins that Nissan used in their Titan trucks.

[–] You999 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say go a step further an look at all their tier IV engines (the ones that are currently in everything from genrators to locomotives to construct equipment). If they aren't in compliance outside of testing that could open them up to lawsuits from customers and competitors on top of the fines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do generators et al have emissions standards they need to follow?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, but as to what those standards are depends on the horsepower, type of use, and fuel

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