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[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 year ago

Good, this shouldn't even have been a debate. It is clear that Trump attempted a coordinated effort to stay in office. If that's not disqualifying from president, then nothing is.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Cool, if only the states he has a chance of winning would follow suit.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago (12 children)

precedent! a ruling here could be used in a non hostile state!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Note that this applies to the primary also, so it might damage him by encouraging his Republican challengers to stay in the race.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

This is a massively historical moment. But, with everything that has happened the last several years this is, quite literally, Tuesday for me.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Current SCotUS is hella corrupt, but I don't see them denying that the individual States control their own elections.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

It would certainly be interesting to see the long-term ramifications if they tried.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Man, Colorado just can't stop winning

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Colorado is seemingly a cool state to be in. I'd really consider moving there lately.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We also just reintroduced wolves and banned grocery bags. One of the most expensive metro to live in, but you look at the states surrounding us and you get why everyone is moving here.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Sweet, consequences. Cheers Colorado.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nothing is final until the federal supreme court weighs in or the election is final.

At this stage of the game all of the appeals in the world are in play.

ftfa

The court put its decision on hold until Jan. 4 to allow for further appeals. It also said that if the matter is pursued before the U.S. Supreme Court before that date, the pause will remain in effect during that time and Colorado will be required to include Trump’s name on the primary ballot pending action by the Supreme Court.

Article also mentions the supreme court in CO is appointed by all democrats. A big win would be a red state agreeing with this.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not too sure about that. I think it’s pretty open and shut and scotus can’t do anything about it.

Case law has found time and again that states can decide their own election laws, and that the federal government cannot override that except in the most egregious cases.

But the very cases where they chose to defer were huge, election changing cases, like Bush v Gore and the VRA.

I don’t think they can even issue a stay without doing the exact same thing. The current stay is through the 4th because CO law says they have to set the ballots by Jan 5. So even issuing a stay would be the feds overstepping the bounds.

Overstepping their own bounds in fact, since people still on this court decided those cases, and Gorsuch actually ruled on this same Colorado law in favor of CO having the right to control its own ballot.

What this means is very possible sweep in CO, because if Trump isn’t on the ballot, that will hurt turnout which would flip some new areas blue. That’s the entire downticket from senators to dogcatchers.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think it’s pretty open and shut and scotus can’t do anything about it.

Justice Thomas will go on a long vacation aboard a yacht and come back with a different opinion than you.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

Someone in Colorado did their job.

Now let's see how many other states follow.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

It won't take 50 to ensure he loses, thankfully.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

if he's not on the ballot in CO, they also wouldn't ratify his election.. they may not seem big, but they have the Air Force Academy and NORAD i think..

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

How does that work, legally speaking? Have we ever had a President in the past century that had states that didn't allow them on the ballot? Outside of having to go all the way back to like Lincoln times.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Fuck the republican traitor filth.

[–] IamRoot 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Colorado has 10 electoral votes.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It hurts republican downballot candidates tho. There's gonna be a number of Trump voters who won't show up if he's not on the ballot and they would have been straight ticket republican votes.

Also this sets a big precedent.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m still scared shitless about the prospect of him winning or being handed the presidency by GOP ghouls, but this is the most hopeful news I’ve seen in a while. Granted at this point I think any Republican candidate would be as bad or worse if they won, none of them have the hold over the base that Trump does. We’ll see if it cascades in a meaningful way but we likely won’t be out of the woods even if it does.

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