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Tested this a while back, had me and my gf talk about kids like where going to have one and all that but never got any baby products before and never typed or asked any electronics about anything related to it.
Within like a few days we started getting ads for babies and expecting parents.
It's solid proof there always hearing us.
It’s solid proof there always hearing us.
there was actually a study performed a few years ago that didn't find any evidence for several thousand tested apps to listen on you (some of the scummy ones were caught recording screens, on the other hand). also, the company mentioned in the posted article admits that their claims were exaggerated.
It's a solid anecdote, for sure.
Absolutely not "proof" though. Unless you made absolutely sure to not accidentally look at a photo on social media of a baby for too long, or scrolled too slowly past a YouTube reel aimed at kids, or listened to a baby shark trap remix on Spotify.
We have LLM models that can give you (mostly) accurate data on how to do a given task based purely on their ability to guess which word comes next from the sources being fed to it, and you don't think algorithms exist to extrapolate your potential buying habits based on the aforementioned data points?
I've gotten very specific targeted ads before that were completely wrong, just because I'd watched like one YouTube video about the hobby or something. It's really just a prediction algorithm based on the troves of data our use of digital devices gives them.
Or happened to be in the same place as someone who is looking up this type of thing (for example coworkers, or patrons of a park you visit often.)
In reality, the other data that can be gathered is more useful and easier to work with than trying to parse audio and video all the time.
Plus you'd absolutely see that traffic on your network, especially if you lived in an area where you only get like 5Mb/s down.
Good breakdown on this in arstechnica:
https://arstechnica.com/?p=1991469
In a statement emailed to Ars Technica, Cox Media Group said that its advertising tools include "third-party vendor products powered by data sets sourced from users by various social media and other applications then packaged and resold to data servicers." The statement continues:
Advertising data based on voice and other data is collected by these platforms and devices under the terms and conditions provided by those apps and accepted by their users, and can then be sold to third-party companies and converted into anonymized information for advertisers. This anonymized data then is resold by numerous advertising companies.
The company added that it does not "listen to any conversations or have access to anything beyond a third-party aggregated, anonymized and fully encrypted data set that can be used for ad placement" and "regret[s] any confusion."
That last paragraph. I knew they were lying with that headline.
Just like apps aren't accessing your camera, but Zuckerberg that owns the second biggest ad company in the world, tapes his notebook camera.
He's arguably a big enough target to actually worry about custom hardware modification attacks.
My sister snd I had a conversation in a terrace about flower seeds to gift my mother. Neither has google assitant or any other voice search app acrivated. We both started getting seed ads. Pretty damning
Do you know your sister didn't search for seeds?
It’s rather Orwellian to me that this kind of logic counts as justification.
It's not justification, it's about understanding the semantics of what's technically happening.
So many people have trouble telling the difference between "that was fine" and "that's not what happened". It's very disappointing.
Right. It only takes one opsec breach.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But a marketing company called CMG Local Solutions sparked panic recently by alluding that it has access to people's private conversations by tapping into data gathered by the microphones on their phones, TVs, and other personal electronics, as first reported by 404 Media on Thursday.
A November 28 blog post described Active Listening technology as using AI to "detect relevant conversations via smartphones, smart TVs, and other devices."
This is a world where no pre-purchase murmurs go unanalyzed, and the whispers of consumers become a tool for you to target, retarget, and conquer your local market.
The website previously pointed to CMG uploading past client data into its platform to make "buyer personas."
The archived version of the page discussed an AI-based analysis of the data and generating an "encrypted evergreen audience list" used to re-target ads on various platforms, including streaming TV and audio, display ads, paid social media, YouTube, Google, and Bing Search.
Before Cox Media Group sent its statement, though, CMG's claims of collecting data on "casual conversations in real-time," as its blog stated, were questionable.
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Always listening is somewhat preferable to 'Has such an accurate profile on you from the data that is available that these instances happen by pure coincidence'. That's way scarier and just as intrusive. At least with a listening device you can get rid of it.
Sad thing is, it's likely both.
I've always stood by the position it's totally possible to snoop audio and match it to a bloom filter or on device least of keywords for ads. Siri is always on so your mic can be always listening and have no impact on the battery life.
In modern mobile OSs it should be clear that your mic is either on or off (to apps) and we don't see the mic on all the time as would be needed for this. Maybe there's a hack, but at the scale and being used for commercial services I think someone would have noticed.
That's probably because you have no technical knowledge of voice recognition whatsoever.
Lots of people of Siri disabled entirely. My household included.
I have often wondered if Siri is actually off when I set it to off. It is not as though I am running ps or top as root to check. A bit of a "trusting trust".
At one point Google had highly specialized hardware that only listened for "ok Google"; that's why you couldn't (and AFAICT still can't) change the wake word.
Things may have changed in the years since I learned that, but I suspect recognizing a bunch of words from an ever-changing list would still need to be done in software and require the phone's CPU to run.
OTOH, the way Android phones recognize and songs for you is very much like what you described, so maybe there really is hardware already that can recognize a shitload of arbitrary sounds using practically no power.
Talk about a new car near your phone.
Enjoy car ads.
Nope, nothing going on here.
I have a govee backlight for my tv which basically points a webcam into my living room
Let's start with this. Google Assistant, Siri, Cortina Alexa, etc are always listening.
Your phone can be listening, but at least on Android the microphone permissions are necessary, and unless there are native exploits I'm super unaware of, this happens at the lowest levels.
Keep your phone in your pocket, check the app permissions, learn how to check data leaving your network, and learn to love Big Brother.
Language really muddles things here. What counts as "listening"? In some sense a microphone not connected to anything is always "listening" but we don't call it that because the electrical impulses it generates don't go anywhere. Is a phone "listening" if it's just running that data through a routine that only recognizes a wake word? Does it make sense to use the same word for that as for live streaming data to a server?
