This is known as revenge bedtime procrastination and capitalism plays a huge role in it.
this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2023
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And I will remain sleepless. I refuse to give up the only free time I can claw away. Its all a joke anyway, my bosses made a 140k position for some guy who doesnt do shit. Cant even work his computer. The world is a jest, and we its jesters.
It's not as bad as 140k, I think somewhere around 100k, but I have a guy like this too and he's the office joke. Worst part is the guy who can fire him knows but for some reason is still hanging on to him.
He's not the reason I participate in RSP though, that's definitely my 4 kids and early wake up needs for work. Love 'em to pieces but I'll be damned if I don't get some quality silence or other mindful disconnect from reality before sleeping. Sometimes it's just sitting in the lazy boy with the lights down low and my air pods in (noise cancellation on, nothing playing).
Wow... thanks for telling me why I'm like this. )=
Could you tell me why Capitalism specifically plays a role in it?
Not arguing, just curious
Yeah! A lot of this comes from a lack of agency in your daily life. You have to do all sorts of things just to stay afloat, leaving little to no time for yourself, so you take revenge at bedtime. The classic argument that salary and hours are no longer tied to productivity applies here; working less for more money reduces the need to spend your sleeping hours finding satisfaction.
I wouldn’t say this is a uniquely capitalistic problem, though. Capitalism is just a huge factor in the reduction of individual agency (unless you’re a capitalist and actually have agency) and it’s the most common setup we have currently. You could have the same lack of agency in another setup and see the same problem.
So you would say a change within the system (whatever the system might be) is more necessary than a change of the system, because it could be a problem within any system?
I think that’s a really good and very deep question. I think there are some changes within the system we could try. Universal basic income, for example, has a lot of promise in terms of getting people beyond the basics to what they can be passionate about. A four day (eight hours each) work week could reduce the need for revenge by giving back a lot of the time we should have. I think there’s good data for both of those things that shows an increase in agency.
I don’t even know how to approach a change in the system. I would be concerned with just these changes because I am deeply cynical of capitalists and their lack of interest in sharing agency with the working class.
Yeah ok, I don't have DSPOD I think I have that.
medicine still works some tho
Or as I originally heard it, "going to bed is going to work."
That's assuming You fall asleep instantly. For me it's "free time ends and 4 hours of trying to fall asleep begin, then another four of waking up every hour, and then another 16 of trying not to fall asleep".
You need better sleep hygiene my friend.
I do, too but you do too, too.
And tomorrow is always so shit because I’m so tired
This is exactly why I don't have enough sleep.
Go to bed and wake up earlier and give yourself some recreation time first time in the morning. That way, you aren't going to sleep in order to work afterwards: you're going to sleep so that you can enjoy the rest of your free time better rested. This is much easier said than done, of course, but I have a better rest when I can fit this routine into my schedule.
Really is easier said than done - if someone already gets up at 05-06:00 in the morning they haven't got much room to get up earlier.
Sure they do
You can get up at 3AM if you want. Depends on what your recreation is.
True, but if you wanted to get a decent amount of sleep you'd have to go to bed at like 20:00, which gives you the reverse problem.
For me, if I had the self control, it might work out, since I'm always pushing my sleep schedule back just like the meme. I'd have a much more concrete time for when I had to leave for work, or whatever appointments I may have instead of a nebulous "a decent time for good sleep". Everybody's different.
In a way, you could argue having a hard out is better for self-control, but either way it's always going to feel like there aren't enough hours in the day to let loose
It takes me like 2 hours to become fully functional after I wake up. Even on days off when I can sleep in. I'd rather get paid for that wake up period than have it during my free time I can't fully enjoy
That is every Sunday for me.
Luckily, I don't have that every night. But sometimes, like today, I definitely relate to this. 1:55AM here, tomorrow can suck it.
Is this why I don't go to sleep early?
For me it's like when I'm having a bad day at work, I wish for the workday to end.
But then I get home and I have to be alone with my thoughts until the next workday. And I find myself wishing the weekend would end so that I can distract myself with work.
It's a frustrating cycle.
Sounds like you need a hobby.
Tomorrow is nearly yesterday and every day is stupid.
Staying up till 3AM so the day lasts longer
Try having children. They wake up at ~5am every day and they are young enough that they can't take care of themselves yet, so I must go to bed at 10pm if I am to get a decent night's sleep.
I sometimes go to sleep at 8 because of it.
That kind of time is not free.
Imagine having a job
Really relatable
I feel this deep in my soul.
This is just because you are irresponsible. I am also irresponsible.