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[–] [email protected] 86 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Two things here. I was forced to go induction when I moved house about fifteen years ago, and I love it. It's just better than gas. I'm terrible at many things, but I'm a good cook, and I can say, there's nothing I can do - nothing - that isn't better on induction. Admittedly, not crazy about the waste of new things, but even so, worth it.

Also, turns out, Big Natural Gas lied to you. It's dangerous (which the article states). This is a carrot and stick. I'm all electric, and working on solar soon.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Agreee, and a third thing. Gas usage for cooking is so small, it's really a non-issue.

Gas usage for heating is the big one we need to curtail. Having a culture war on cooking ranges is a distraction.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not a distraction so much as it's the bait. Gas cooking gets the utility serviced to the building, which enables the gas furnace vs electric heat pump conversation. Gas furnace is cheaper up front, so that's what goes into suburbia.

Builders and developers will always do the absolutely cheapest thing possible to stay competitive, and will only do better when they're either legislated to or consumers demand it. Home builders associations lobby to keep minimum requirements ... minimal, and most consumers just see pretty showers and big kitchen islands, so this is why we still build houses like it's 1980.

Always amuses me how many people care about gas mileage on a $50k car but couldn't give two shits if their $2m home is efficient.

Source: I'm a home designer who frequently has this conversation and that's usually how it goes down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Then you are living in an area that is running a bit behind.

Once you electrify heating, no one is going to pay for a gas line in new construction.

We (Netherlands) had these conversations go down like this 5 years ago. Now, no new home construction is running a gas line.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 11 months ago (57 children)

this is why big gas is cranking up the propaganda on stoves. induction stoves are better, don't believe them

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[–] JohnDClay 39 points 11 months ago (10 children)

When people think of electric stoves, they think of resistance not induction. If people had more experience with induction, I'm sure they'd be less resistant to the change.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

But this is America, they still use checks...
They're so controlled by their corporations.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Give me a digital transaction without fees and I'll give up checks. They cost less to accept.

[–] Kecessa 9 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Lulz, fees on digital transactions, is it the 90s again?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This should be required watching for every moron who claims gas is better.

If you need that instant temperature drop, remove it from the heat??

Also, induction is even better. Hopefully they become affordable and not priced like fancy appliances in the next decade.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (6 children)

The main advantage for gas isn't speed, it's control. I have both gas and electric, standard halogen etc type stoves are junk compared to the fine (also instant, consistent, and reliably easy to gauge) control that gas hobs provide. Not to mention a very even heat . But I agree modern induction finally provide that similar level of control (though the one induction hob I've used, while excellent granular control, did seem to heat unevenly requiring the pan to be regularly turned to avoid one-sided burning).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

did seem to heat unevenly requiring the pan to be regularly turned to avoid one-sided burning).

That's due to the heating area being incredibly tiny on various crappy induction stoves.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Induction is great, switch 1 yr ago. Most cookware works, not just cast iron.

Pro tip: if want to know if your pan works with induction, take a magnet and see if it sticks to the pan. If it sticks, it will heat!

[–] aBundleOfFerrets 11 points 11 months ago

Some non-magnetic cookware can still be used on induction heaters

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

People here seem unaware that there exists a 3rd option that isn't either gas or induction - a ceramic hob is electric, heated coils under glass, but you can use it with any pot or pan, so there's no need to spend all that extra money replacing all your cookware, and the hob itself is cheaper too.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And they're terrible at cooking: any change in temperature, including heating up takes a ton.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They've served me perfectly well for over a decade.
The difference in supposed quality wouldn't be noticeable to most while the difference in cost definitely would be. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not unaware, just not mentioning it as an option because it's so inferior.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Spent the first 1/3 of adult life with gas and the latter 2/3 with electric. It's not hard to adapt cooking methods. Food still comes out just fine. It also makes one more adept at cooking when say, traveling and having to use who knows what terrible stove/cooking object.

I'd much rather figure out how to adapt to an electric cooking device that I could 100% self-power if need be, than continue to use an explosive cooking device pumping chemicals I don't want into my home because the natural gas companies don't processed the gas to remove them.

Gas had a place in homes in the 19th and early 20th century when we didn't know better, not anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How many tons of co2/methane are emitted annually from residential ovens and ranges?

I feel like this number is small and am curious if anyone has chased this rabbit.

[–] RvTV95XBeo 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.0c00437

Electrifying everything but the gas stove means keeping the entire gas distribution system, which leaks like a sieve.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Well why are they building them out of sieves?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I cut our gas line 2 years ago from our house! Feels good. Also didn't want to have to invest in a seismic shut off gas valve.

And the heat pump gives us air conditioning, which is a win-win.

[–] paysrenttobirds 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love induction, myself, but if you need a flame, there's countertop burners to help with the transition. No need to pipe gas through the whole city. There was just a gas explosion in an empty house (two days after closing!) down the road from us.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is a lot of tall about everyone replacing their stoves but it's expensive and really not needed. You can do 90% of your meals with counter top appliances and be good to go.

We have the following: portable induction cooktop top, 6 and 3 qt instapot, 5qt air fryer, and electric hot water kettle. These devices are used nearly everyday and if we need to use the gas stove we do, but it's pretty rare.

When the kitchen is renovated, an induction stove will be purchased, but for the last 5 years our counter top chefs have been great.

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