Chrome’s next weapon in the War on Ad Blockers: Slower extension updates : firefox

[-] [email protected] 94 points 7 months ago

Rhetorical question: antitrust when?

They are dominant in search, ads, browser, mobile hardware, mobile os, mapping, and email. They're using their dominance to corece users, and are just getting away with it. The influence they have over the Internet is second to none, and it shows they've dropped the whole "don't be evil" thing.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-wraps-up-antitrust-case-against-google-historic-trial-2023-11-16/ in case you missed it

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

A related trial initiated by Epic Games is to close in a week.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

News too. They even need to start funding local newspapers so there is enough content to link to.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Probably never honestly.

[-] [email protected] 78 points 7 months ago

Fuck google and fuck chrome

[-] [email protected] 54 points 7 months ago

More people should use firefox

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Honestly we just need more options in terms of web engines

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I'd already be happy if we still have the ones we have today in ten years.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea 4 points 7 months ago

Yup, there's 3-4 active ones, depending on how you count it (more if you count toy projects):

Blink - Chrome
WebKit - Safari
Gecko - Firefox
KHTML - Konqueror, discontinued this year in favor of WebKit

So essentially three, though Blink is a fork of WebKit, so kinda 2.5.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

I switched to Firefox not too long ago, the only place I can't replace chrome is my Chromebook. I can't find a good Firefox copy, tried using both android and Linux versions but it loses alot of controls functionality (eg grestures on the trackpad)

[-] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago

That might work... if I hadn't already switched over to Firefox! Charade you are, Google asswipes!

[-] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

If you aren't already trying to remove Google from your life, you should be.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 7 months ago

i think the bigger problem is that all filter updates need to be declared which means google essentially knows what you're blocking which means they can respond quicker to fixing exploits to block ads

[-] netchami 25 points 7 months ago

I really hope no one in this community uses Google as their search engine.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

I primarily use DuckDuckGo now, but very occasionally I use google when I feel like DuckDuckGo hasn't come up with very good results.

(I also use Google when I need a word definition - I like the layout and ability to see synonyms quickly.)

Bing I don't use because I just can't stand the results page layout.

Any other recommendations?

[-] netchami 11 points 7 months ago

You can use Startpage to get Google search results. It's a meta search engine for Google, but it doesn't expose any of your data. You can use it with DuckDuckGo's Bangs feature. That way, DuckDuckGo can be your default search engine and you can make all of your normal search queries with DDG, but if you want to search on Google through Startpage, you just type !sp followed by your search query into DuckDuckGo and it will forward your search to Startpage. This also works with many many other sites, type !bangs into DDG to get the full list of supported websites.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the startpage tip. Just switched all my browsers to use it instead.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Cool, I'll give this a try too.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

SearXNG is my go to. It's a search aggregator so you have to configure it to select your preferred search engines, but once everything is up and running, I've found it's results to be even higher quality than Google's

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

(I also use Google when I need a word definition - I like the layout and ability to see synonyms quickly.)

yeah that's one thing I really miss from when I had google as default search engine, typing word/phrase + define and actually getting a useful result. DDGs version is barely even helpful at all

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

Google Search is way worse than it used to but still beats DDG by a mile.

I've tried SearX and it was meh, maybe there's some better instance than the one I tried though.

Yandex is good for reverse image search and when the American government makes western search engines block certain search results, but not that useful in general. Also for a period Yandex just kept bombarding me with endless captchas and was completely unusuable

Bing search is just DDG, or well DDG is just Bing.

Baidu search, tbh haven't tried it much, but even for chinese I had better search results on google search so yeah

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

DDG is still really good, and DDG isn't Bing just because it includes it's results as well. I mainly use DDG and then try Google if I can't find my result, but 90% of the time DDG finds it just fine.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I mean I use DDG as default search engine in Firefox and Google Search isn't much better now, but google search isn't even a 10th as good as it used to be 10 years ago.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I use https://searx.be/ with both Google and DDG results enabled. Otherwise if you want something like Google results you would have to use Start page, although they pay Google for access to their search so you would be indirectly supporting Google.

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[-] OptimusPrimeRib 4 points 7 months ago

I tried using DuckDuckGo but just could not stick with it. The search terms are just not as good and sometimes when I’m looking up definitions for words I’d prefer not clicking on a link and just having it display on the display results.

It’s just small issues like that made me switch back to google search. Won’t ever switch back to chrome though.

[-] netchami 5 points 7 months ago

Maybe try Startpage, it gives you Google results without exposing your data to Google.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

YouTube can instantly switch up its ad delivery system, but once Manifest V3 becomes mandatory, that won't be true for extension developers.

If ad blocking is a cat-and-mouse game of updates and counter-updates, then Google will force the mouse to slow down.

The current platform, Manifest V2, has been around for over ten years and works just fine, but it's also quite powerful and allows extensions to have full filtering control over the traffic your web browser sees.

Engadget's Anthony Ha interviewed some developers in the filtering extension community, and they described a constant cat-and-mouse game with YouTube.

Firefox's Manifest V3 implementation doesn't come with the filtering limitations, and parent company Mozilla promises that users can "rest assured that in spite of these changes to Chrome’s new extensions architecture, Firefox’s implementation of Manifest V3 ensures users can access the most effective privacy tools available like uBlock Origin and other content-blocking and privacy-preserving extensions."

Google claims that Manifest V3 will improve browser "privacy, security, and performance," but every comment we can find from groups that aren't giant ad companies disputes this description.

The original article contains 915 words, the summary contains 179 words. Saved 80%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

Firefox is best, but if you use linux and still like using Chrome for some things you can try Ungoogled Chromium

[-] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Meanwhile I just got TamperMonkey on my phone through Firefox, so I can now auto-clip digital Safeway coupons on my phone when I forget to do so before leaving the house.

[-] netchami 7 points 7 months ago

Don't use proprietary Tampermonkey, switch to Violentmonkey

[-] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

That's another open source app that works perfectly and makes me wonder why anyone uses the closed source ones.

[-] netchami 1 points 7 months ago

I don't get it either

[-] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

A lot of people don't realise that tampermonkey isn't libre in my experience.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I already use it since I like the UI better

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

This is the second time I've seen this referenced but with no source code.

I'd like to do the same with Kroger coupons.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

// ==UserScript==
// @name         Safeway Clip All Coupons Button
// @version      0.1
// @description  Add convenient button to automatically load and clip all coupons on Safeway's ForU page
// @match        https://www.safeway.com/foru/coupons-deals.html*
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// @grant        none
// ==/UserScript==

(function() {
    'use strict';

    const couponGridContainer = document.getElementsByClassName('coupon-grid-container')[0];

    let clipButton = document.createElement('button');
    clipButton.addEventListener('click', clipCoupons);
    clipButton.innerHTML = '<span>Clip All Coupons</span>';
    clipButton.classList.add('btn');
    clipButton.classList.add('btn-secondary');
    clipButton.style.width = '175px';

    couponGridContainer.insertBefore(clipButton, couponGridContainer.firstChild);
})();

async function clipCoupons() {
    console.log('Clipping coupons...');
    let load_more = document.getElementsByClassName('load-more')[0];
    while (load_more != undefined) {
        load_more.click()
        await new Promise(r => setTimeout(r, 1000));
        window.scrollTo(0, document.body.scrollHeight);
        load_more = document.getElementsByClassName('load-more')[0];
    }
    let coupons = document.getElementsByClassName("grid-coupon-btn");
    for (let coupon of coupons) coupon.click();
    console.log('Finished clipping coupons!');
}

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I bet someone called Hank Scorpio works at google.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I can guarantee you that nobody working at Google has that kind of charisma