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Are people really saying "the fediverse is doomed"?
idk, but for Lemmy/kbin/mastodon to be successful, it needs good word-of-mouth advertising. I didn't end up on reddit because of an ad I saw somewhere.
Lemmy desperately needs to up the user friendliness of the system, which is incredibly hard. It's hard to encourage people to switch when the effort to get a somewhat working feed is so high.
I hadn't thought about it much until now, but you're right. I check all at times, but it isn't as genpop ready as, say, Reddit.
That being said, my subscribed feed is great. The content is pretty good, and so too feel the interactions.
It might be frowned upon by some, but a lot of people could benefit from something like a default subscription list from a sample of instances.
Another QOL thing can be the right app or web app. E.g., Memmy and mlmym.org make the UX solid out of the box. A lot of folks might have to stumble upon those bits of info here, though, as opposed to an "onboarding" process.
Absolutely right - Signing up needs to be as easy as signing up for reddit. And same with searching for and subscribing to communities, even on other instances. Your average user wants the technical details of the Fediverse abstracted away from them. Anything beyond that and adoption won't be what we (most of us?) would like it to be.
There should be an All option that shows literally everything that your instance is federated with. I really don't understand why that isn't a thing already.
There sort of is, at least I think I get that with Jerboa, but I believe it's only federated communities someone has subscribed to, which is most but not quite all.
You don't have that? You don't have a tab that says local, subscribed, or all?
The search sucks, but I'm used to that from reddit. I subscribe from the all feed and that works well.
I think it worked for me because I just had faith (or confirmed) that stuff was working. People threw their hands up because some subscriptions said pending, but it showed up in my subscribed list so I ignored that it said pending.
Another big part is stitching communities back together. There are like 10 popular memes communities that have 99% the same content, I don't need to see the same post that many times in my feed.
Absolutely. You should see some of the handwringing going on over the idea that the mere existence of Threads is a scheme designed specifically and only to destroy the fediverse (as opposed to, y'know, their actual competition, Twitter). Way too many people throwing around the phrase Embrace, Extend, Exterminate without actually understanding what it means or how it might realistically apply to this situation.
Like, let's be clear, Threads sucks, and there are plenty of good reasons to defederate with it. But it's not a plot to destroy us. Zuck doesn't even know we exist.
Isn't it "embrace, extend, exterminate"?
Yes lmao.
Guy who literally doesn't even know what EEE stands for: Meta isn't trying to EEE the fediverse, you guys don't understand what EEE even is!!1! Meta totally hasn't even heard of us guys, this is only about twitter!!
It is. People forget things. Get over it.
Wait I thought it was "embrace, extend, extinguish"?
That's the more common variant, but "embrace, extend, exterminate" is also used.
Honestly, I don't see why Threads couldn't be intended to destroy both Twitter foremost, and also the fediverse before it's big enough to pose any real threat: Mastodon has some two million monthly active users right now, which is tiny compared to Twitter/Threads, yes, but it's also not nothing, especially for what Mastodon is and how quickly it managed to reach that level of usage.
So I don't doubt that Threads has ill intentions for both the underdog and overdog. I just don't think that the fediverse can be killed that easily.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner! I don't understand how people aren't seeing this, it's blatantly obvious.
Twitter is absolutely the short term, immediate "blood in the water" target. It's not a coincidence that Threads is using ActivityPub though, it was a very calculated move.
Mastodon and the fediverse at large are the long term targets, Meta knowz they can't destroy them entirely(thanks, FOSS and decentralization!), but they don't have to. The thing some people miss when hearing about EEE is you don't need to fully eliminate competition for it to be considered "extinguished". Your competition can still be 100% functional and usable, but if they have 1% market share to your 99%, they're effectively extinguished and you'll be the leading influence on that market.
Yeah, lol. But tbh threads can get outta hand but if Lemmy is doomed the next thing will have risen up 3 years ago and will have a small but enthusiastic community waiting for us.