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They are bad though. On the one hand a Palestinian lost all 60 members of his family and several thousands died. On the other hand a Palestinian would have lost all 60 members of his family and several more thousands would have died. It is hard for that Palestinian to appreciate the difference and infinitely harder for his family to appreciate the difference.
Biden is pushing for a ceasefire and sanctioning settlers, while Trump said that Israel should "finish the problem".
If you consider a Palestinian who hasn't lost their family yet, there's a pretty obvious difference between the two candidates.
He literally sanctioned 3 settlers, and hes been lying for weeks now about how this supposed temporary truce is happening any minute now. Meanwhile he continues to offer vocal and physical aid to Israel.
Fuck off with the bidenoganda.
It was more than 30 settlers in the first batch, and it was clear that they wouldn't stop there.
And it's Hamas that is delaying the truce at this point, because they either don't know where their own hostages are, or the hostages are all dead already and they don't want to admit it.
Fuck off with your lies.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-settler-sanctioned-biden-speaks/story?id=106988009
It was 4 not 3, and certainly not 30. 4 people who were never going to go to the US or using US banks cant do so. Big fucking deal. Bidens an absolute flog whos doing nothing of substance.
And its not even connected to Israels current genocide in Gaza, which neans it does nothing to help end what he supports Israel doing.
Go on liar, prove this wrong.
Turns out my source was also counting other countries, so fair enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/04/israel-settler-violence-sanctions
Still, a ceasefire agreement has been proposed, and Hamas is the reason it hasn't happened yet.
Also keep in mind that sanctions need to be ramped up gradually. That gives people time to change their behavior instead of immediately being punished by brand new policies, and it makes the sanctions relevant for a much longer period of time. If you go straight to 100% and your targets just get used to it, then you can't use that card anymore.
Israel is the reason it hasnt happened. Israel has refused to attend the negotiations, Hamas has given its side.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240307-hamas-delegation-leaves-cairo-as-ball-is-now-in-israels-court/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/3/israel-boycotts-ceasefire-talks-in-cairo-report
Hamas doesn't get to say "we don't know where any of the hostages are" and then follow that by saying "the ball is in Israel's court". That's fucked.
Gaza is levelled, 30,000 people are dead, millions are starving to death, communications have been cut, and you cant even move around freely without being murdered by Israeli soldiers.
How dare they not have the logistics in place to know everything!
Genocidal nazis like Israel dont get to demand shit. And still Biden supports them.
It's the single most important thing for Hamas to know. When they say they don't know, it just means they tortured, raped and killed all of the hostages, but they don't want to admit to it.
Stop spreading IDF propaganda.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240304-audio-recording-shows-israeli-hostages-calls-for-help-before-being-shot-by-israeli-soldiers/
For all we know Israel has killed them like it did with those 3. How can anyone tell with Israels indiscriminate terror bombings.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/hamas-rape-un-report-hostages/
Back that up.
What you posted does not prove the propaganda you've said above.
Oh and...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says
I just did.
I haven't said a single word to defend Israel's actions, and I'm not going to. That's also fucked up.
That's why it's a good thing that Biden has started to change US policy toward Israel.
But he hasn't.
He's done the equivalent of the slap on the wrist of a completely different person (i.e. not the genocidal government).
Meanwhile he has given that very same genocidal government guns, money, and diplomatic immunity.
Pressuring Israel for a ceasefire, starting on new policies for sanctions, airdropping aid into Gaza, meeting with Netanyahu's political rival Benny Gantz, and the few critical statements the white house has made about Israel are all things that the US would not have done in the past, and absolutely would not be doing now if we had a Republican president.
And there's more coming. No way it ends here.
The goal is to change Israel, not to destroy our relationship with them, and there's a myriad of reasons for that.
That doesn't mean that nothing is changing.
What you are saying is an atrocity; I agree with you wholeheartedly. Regardless, I will still be voting against the person who led an insurrection and who paved the way for women to lose their rights to bodily autonomy in Roe v Wade. It’s an easy choice.
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Once again and louder, for this idiot.