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Sovereign citizen has a fake diplomatic permit. (lemmy.world)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

they're out there. the guy that sells them has been arrested like 36 times for trying to cross borders with them.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

How the hell is he not in jail for forging documents? I guess he's not forging legitimate documents, but he has the entire intent and sells them and tries to use them... Should be in jail on principle, and for selling fake goods.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Probably cause it's not a forgery/falsified doc. It's just pretend scribbles?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's still fraud. He's selling something under false pretenses. He claims these work when they do not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess that's true. But if I sold you a license to perform spells and incantations, and you obviously never successfully do, is that fraud?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I would say it depends on the presentation and point. Are you a board game store selling it as a fun thing? A white elephant gift store? A cute gift shop in Salem? Yea, sell it all day.

A horoscope reader upselling it to brainwashed idiots, literally trying to convince them it works? ... Yea, that's fraud. Might not be fraud you could get them found guilty of, since so many laws require a "reasonable person" to fall for it, but we all know there aren't actually that many "reasonable" people...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's considered a "fantasy document" alongside the "World Government Passport"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Is he advertising it as a fantasy document? That's the whole point of fraud: fair representation.

If someone says, "Hey, you wanna' by my last shit for $10,000!?!" and someone takes them up on it thinking there's no way someone would ACTUALLY sell their shit for 10k... they're totally fine selling, and that buyer is a moron with little legal recourse.

However, if someone tells you they're selling petrified dino turds and gives you a fresh human shit... yea, that's fraud, even though both are selling shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Idk how this particular document is being sold, but the world government passport isn't being sold as a fantasy document, that's just how it is cited by the International Civil Aviation Organization

[–] mindbleach 1 points 10 months ago

Can't claim "for entertainment purposes only" if his dumb ass keeps getting arrested trying to use them, himself.

[–] mindbleach 1 points 10 months ago

"Not fit for purpose" is still fraud.