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More than one-third of Americans believe Israel is committing genocide, poll shows
(www.theguardian.com)
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Murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages might have an effect on public perception.
The problem is, before they wemt on that murdering spree, the western world pretty much ignored their plight, or maybe tutted when they chucked a rocket or two over the border. But any kind of "proper" political solution was flatly ignored. It's not a justification, but I have to say that I umderstand why that situation led to a "fuck it, let's just rampage" attitude. And look, they actually have a tonne of eyeballs and attention on their shitty situation (and shitty leaders), so maybe something will come of this. Palestinians are paying an exorbitantly heavy price for it, though.
Sure, but again - if you murder people at a music festival and take hostages, even if you might have reasons to do so - you can expect quite a lot of people to not be on your side. The only thing for sure is that terrorists won that one.
You’ll see from my history that I was on your side until recently, but I’ve pretty much done a 180. You can’t blame civilians for the government that they weren’t born to vote for and even if they did vote for them, you really can only engage combatants. If you starve out and kill civilians, that’s war crimes and it’s making Israel look bad and that unfortunately makes antisemitism worse globally since Israel is lauded as being the Jewish homeland. It’s totally problematic, and I am firmly against the current Israeli government and don’t feel that Zionism requires genocide. It is extremely counterintuitive and shows we have learned nothing from the past. History is repeating itself. You can’t generalize an entire population of being subhuman to make it easier to justify extermination. People forget that these were modern urban areas and a large portion of the population just want to live in peace.
How? It's pretty much baked in.
Its general definition means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel.
It’s important to distinguish between the political and ideological aspects of Zionism and the actions taken by individuals or groups in its name. The idea of Zionism itself does not inherently call for or imply ethnic cleansing. Zionism, like any national movement, has a range of perspectives within it, including those that seek peaceful coexistence and mutual respect between Jews and Arabs in the region.
The history of the region is complex and marked by conflict, and there have been instances where actions taken by some in the name of Zionism or Israeli statehood have been criticized and are a subject of ongoing debate and conflict. However, equating Zionism itself with ethnic cleansing oversimplifies the situation and does not accurately represent the intentions and beliefs of many who identify with Zionist ideals.
I was not talking about myself. I was making a general statement - that if people who are perceived as part of your (not personal) group murder people at a festival and take hostages, some people might become less sympathetic with the general cause of your (not personal) group no matter how valid it might be. The same if you level a city and bomb hospitals - you (not personal) might have a good reason, but people will get upset.
I assume you are using this as a general you, not me personal - since I would strongly disagree that I'm doing anything of that. (Clarified it, in my own writing).