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Okay, reading the adl article, so 67 attacks in 5 years. Not a small number. I don't agree with the notion of pre-crime or collective punishment, but let's at least entertain the idea.
Lets see what they count as an attack.
Oh look, literally the first one:
They didn't do anything, literally just alleged crime-think. That's not an attack, not technically or in spirit. It should not be counted. Keep an eye on them if the cops truly think it's an issue, but they haven't actually done anything.
This shit is what I'm talking about when I say the news shouldn't be trusted.
I also love the fact that their "Policy Recommendations" includes blatant first amendment violations. I don't think they could have made it more obvious if they tried.
Keeping an eye out for potential criminals isn't either of those things.
It wasn't just a thought. It was a criminal planning to do another crime. He was planning on killing the people investigating him. I have no sympathy for criminals who plan on doing more crime, making credible threats and plans to kill people. He can get fucked for all I care.
If you think that solicitation to commit a violent crime and threatening an officer of the law isn't criminal, then you should take it up with the legislature.
Not all terrorism is physical. Not all violence is physical. So your statements saying he didn't do anything are just plain wrong. He was already a criminal when he was making these plans, so his threats and plans were credible. So the government took action, as they should.
Even at best, all you're arguing is that they are mischaracterizing the nature of what's going on. But regardless of how you categorize it, domestic right wing terrorism is the biggest terrorism threat to the U.S.
The government trying to keep an eye on it is for the better.
'Hey let's go kill some federal agents' isn't venting.
Finally something that isn't just deflection or an attempt to put words in someone's mouth.
Let's see, he:
is a criminal (assaulting officers and destruction of government property during Jan 6th)
plotted to kill 37 FBI agents (including some that were investigating his criminal actions from Jan 6
is now charged with conspiracy, retaliating against a federal official, interstate communication of a threat and solicitation to commit a crime of violence
he "obtained a list of law enforcement personnel who participated in that criminal investigation and the two discussed plans to kill individuals on the list in conversations with a cooperating witness. Those plans included an attack on the FBI’s Knoxville Field Office." "A witness, who was described as a coworker and a very good friend to Carter, met with Kelley and Carter in early December when Kelley discussed assassination missions that would target federal agents." "On Dec. 13, Carter gave the witness an envelope from Kelley that contained 37 names and some phone numbers of the law enforcement personnel who participated in his criminal investigation, as well as a thumb drive of video footage from a warrant search of Kelley's home in May."
is quoted as having said “With us being such a small group we will mainly conduct recon missions and assassination missions.”
Sources:
https://www.wate.com/news/tennessee/maryville-man-january-6-fbi-knoxville-office-attack-plan-trial-delayed/
https://www.wate.com/news/crime/two-planned-attack-fbi-knoxville-office-january-6-investigators/
https://www.wate.com/news/top-stories/east-tennesseei-40-i-75-icy-conditions-overturned-tractor-trailer/?nxsparam=1&nxstory_autoturn=1
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/16/us/politics/jan-6-defendant-assassination-plot.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/capitol-riot-defendant-planned-kill-fbi-agents-investigated-unsealed-f-rcna62214
Seems reasonable to me to consider him to be a threat.
Right back to deflection again. Damn, I was hopeful for once.
I'll answer your questions when they start being honest.
And you know your question is deflection, and a misrepresentation.
You just cannot stop being deceitful.
Your complaining that I'm not answering your questions when you can't even give me the decency your asking for.
It isn't venting. Quit trying to deflect.
Are you going to address my statement about venting, or are you just going to continue to deflect?
How childish.
Do you really think it's okay to not answer questions in a context like this? Doesn't it come across to yourself like "gee, I can't answer these questions and keep my position here, maybe my position's wrong", like at all?
Take it up with winter. You get what you take. Winter isn't addressing my points, so I'm not going to address theirs.
I will not put in effort that is not being recieved.