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[–] [email protected] 95 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Why are US users so focused on iMessage? I have seen rejected date memes because the message bubble had the wrong color. There are tons of alternatives out there. Is this a status thing?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This is a long story. But the short version is that we don't have per-message charges in the US, so most people continue on using SMS for daily conversations.

Unless you're an Apple user, because then you were only allowed to use 1 SMS app, and if you used with another Apple user, you were automatically upgraded to iMessage, which gave you a better messaging experience. And Apple users are an arrogant bunch so instead of switching to using literally any other chat app to chat with other users, they will just not message you if you don't have iMessage (green bubble).

I suppose Google is equally to blame because they had several very similar apps that they abandoned over and over again.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Apple also intentionally made the green bubble contrast worse so that iPhone users would have eyestrain when conversing with non-iPhone users.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Oh yay another thing I can add to my list of "ways in which Apple's marketing is extremely predatory"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm just surprised people aren't fed up with how shit SMS (well, MMS, but I never want to hear about that again) is for anything other than text. It was always a fucking pain and just plain shit even if it weren't.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's still the most reliable method of ensuring your messages are sent. And images are "fine", so long as there aren't any iPhones.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Really? Sent but not received, I guess? It seems like near any other method has things to show that you've sent it, that the server has received it, that the other user(s) received it, that they read it...

And images are... Well, very limited indeed. And costly, if we're talking MMS!

To me, it's definitely not the best choice - but I'm not in the states.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Read receipts are just a way to incite social strife.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You can usually turn those off. Not sure if you can turn them off for SMS, I remember text messages having those

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Farthest I've seen regular text messages go is received receipts. And that depends on the provider, some of them only return up to "sent".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Really? Sent but not received, I guess?

Sent and received.

It seems like near any other method has things to show that you've sent it, that the server has received it, that the other user(s) received it, that they read it...

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Also I always disable read receipts anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

We don't have per message charge in France either but people still use WhatsApp or Signal because you can't have groups in SMS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

we don’t have per-message charges in the US, so most people continue on using SMS for daily conversations.

We don't here in the UK either, but we still use data messaging for the most part. I use WhatsApp for my Android friends, iMessage for my iPhone friends, and it's never a problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We don't here in the UK either

You don't now. My understanding is that most of the UK did in the early years of cell phones, so everyone jumped off that bandwagon real fast and found something else collectively. That ended up being WhatsApp, which was unfortunately later acquired and predictably ruined by Facebook.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Oh aye, back in the day we had a text allowance. My first contract allowed me 50 SMS per day, which felt like a lot until you actually started using them. But I’ve had functionally limitless - or actually limitless - SMS for probably twenty years at this point.

I’m lucky if I send five a month, and most of those were intended to be iMessages that failed for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (3 children)

vast majority of people use the default app their phone choice comes with.

historically eise, the reason EU uses whatsapp was that there was a time period early on where sms costed money, so people used whatsapp to circumvent that. the U.S didnt have that problem as sms was free for the majority of people in that time period.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

This seems a bit revisionist. Everyone had an amount of smses per month that were free in their contract.

People switched to whatsapp because it was better than sms.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not everybody, and not infinitely far back. There was definitely a period where there were no free texts included (although I do think that by the iPhone introduction many did have it, but still not all!)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

its good to be clear that we are talking about a time period when people migrated to whatapp, and the reasoning for migrating to whatsapp. and how the 'text for free' thing wasn't a big motivator, (nor was it a new idea)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And also because Whatsapp was available on every platform, from the dominant ones at the time (Nokia and Blackberry) to the newcomers (iOS, Android, even Windows Phone and more obscure ones like Samsung's whatever it was called).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Samsung had bada os then worked with intel and the tizen foundation on tizen

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

wasn’t it the long distance thing? charged for sending SMS outside of your network or something. I recall whatsapp was the way to text your parents from one country in to another, even in the EU.

I know for a fact my fam adopted almost a decade ago, so we can text from USA to EU to SA to Canada. Family all over and it’s free.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

39 cents/SMS. I remember this time. This does not explain why it has to be that specific protocol, though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

because people were already uaing sms when it was paid beforehand before smartphones were a thing. people just used to whatever the default was, especially since its not like everyone switched to a smart phone immediately after the iphone 3gs' relase. sms was the default method to talk to people who were still using "dumbphones"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes it's a status thing and I'm aware of people who have been rejected on dates for having an Android.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

Sounds like they are better off that way. Anyone who thinks that is important is probably not worth it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

The average American is not tech savvy.

(Which is surprising, given that the US has arguably the strongest software development industry in the world.)

Most Americans just use the default apps installed on their phones. Facebook Messenger is really the only non-default messaging app with mass market penetration, and that's because most Americans already have Facebook accounts.

Americans just don't want to sign up for new accounts or learn new apps. Therefore, iMessage won by default.