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Sanders warns Biden: address working-class fears or risk losing to demogogue
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So are you willing to call out the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries for the selfish pieces of shit they are?
I don't make sweeping moralistic statements like that. It's neither productive nor particularly tactful. I'm sure many of them thought they were making the sensible decision for the generally, even though I disagree with that decision.
What do you hope to gain, other than stroking your own moralism?
Give me one good sensible argument justifying voting for Biden over everybody else in the primaries.
Hopefully making you and everybody else who voted for that procorporate piece of shit in the primaries understand in no uncertain terms: If you elect procorporate trash in the DNC primaries they will lose in the general. Period.
I can't speak for everyone. I won't pretend I am the absolute arbiter of political justification, that's sociopathic.
And he did win in the general, so I don't get your point. The Democratic Party is protocorporate party, Leftists are a minority.
Because a bunch of us held our noses and gave him a chance because people said we can "push him to the left". Now that it's clear that was a lie we won't be showing up again.
Then ignore us. Win the 2024 general election all on your own.
Buddy, I'm a leftist too. You'd have to be a literal idiot to think Trump will be better for anyone left of fascists, especially Leftists. Campaign for ranked choice voting, be vocal the rest of the time. If Trump wins, that could be the end of American democracy, as flawed as it presently is .
Procorporate Democrats like Biden will never allow that to happen.
A leftist who thinks electing procorporate trash will ever result in ranked choice voting and won't call out primary voters who vote against progressive and leftist efforts for being pieces of shit? Are you also the kind of leftist who celebrated when Biden blocked the rail strike? You can label yourself whatever you want but your actions are never going to result in anything moving left.
I dunno what to tell you dude. You think neo-fascist Republicans are going to allow ranked choice to happen? They're going to try to stop all voting.
You can label yourself anything you want, but Leftists do not have enough of a majority to win alone. Calling the moderates pieces of shit is not going to result in anything moving left. Your actions are going to result in the fascists taking control and dissolving the thin patina of democracy we have presently. Perfect is the enemy of better, and you're running headfirst into much, much worse.
Nothing is "better" over the last 20 years or more. Everything gets worse. Every. Single. Year. Everything gets worse.
No shit. Nothing moves us left. Ever. Because nothing ever gets better. Everything is rotting. Fuck the moderates. They are pieces of shit.
Not better year over year, better than the alternative. What, you'd prefer the fascists win? I hate that that's the choice, but it is. Explain to me how refusing to vote for the moderates does anything but empower the far right. You think if enough Leftists abstain from voting, that a secret Communist will take office like a video game cheat code?
I honestly want to hear your proposed alternative which isn't just "let the fascists win because the moderates aren't good enough". Sincerely, what does effective praxis look like to you? Because complaining and name-calling is not effective praxis.
I think the moderates will wake the fuck up and realize they can't win general elections without our help and stop voting against us in the primaries.
Or the country will collapse. One or the other. I don't really care at this point. You're placing all this responsibility on me while trivializing everything I'm fighting for. Go fuck yourself.
So no, no praxis, just name calling and enabling fascists. Got it. The Internet was a mistake.