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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How do you do that? I'm subscribed to like 50 conmunities. Would I have to start all over? That doesn't sound like it's worth it.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Just gonna name-drop the tool I made to do this :) https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim

It's only been out a few days, let me know if you have any issues!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Thanks. I liked .world but no way will I let meta in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Thanks for making this!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awesome! I was hoping this would be possible. I plan to host my own instance hobbit.world and would need to migrate everything.

Also, I'll defederate any corporate instances. No need to encourage bad actors.

[–] quickpen 2 points 1 year ago

If you’re creating an instance that will not federate with corporate instances, then I would love to join.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks for this! Just gave this a try, downloaded from .world just fine, but uploading to .ml gives this error: ERROR: Failed Login - HTTP status client error (403 Forbidden) for url (https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/user/login)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That usually means wrong username/password! But if you're sure, I can make an account on lemmy.ml and give it a shot.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks for the feedback. The username and password are indeed correct. I copied and pasted from Bitwarden and used the exact same ones to login to the lemmy.ml site. I do wonder if there is some sort of anti-bot measures that Colonel Sanders mentioned below.

Also: I tried just my username vs email but neither worked and I also don't have MFA enabled yet. Super weird.

EDIT: opened an issue on Github: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim/issues/4

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have a fix! Merging the branch and dropping a new release shortly. Thanks for reporting this!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Working great. Thanks for the quick fix!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not very tech savvy when it comes to this, but would it have anything to do with the anti-bot stuff that lemmy.ml has implemented in the sign-up process? You now have to answer a few questions and basically write your reason for making an account before it lets you even submit the request for review.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To use the tool you need to make your new account first manually - then you can port over your settings with the tool - so it shouldn't be affected by this.

So no, lemmy.ml shouldn't be blocking it, unless it's got something enabled to disable all API logins - though I would think that would break everything (i.e. apps).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Honestly it isn't. Nothing about the Fediverse is private or inherently secure in that way. Everything is public. And you should assume that everything you publish through activity pub could eventually be looked at by anyone. If you want private or secure messaging there are non-activity pub open source secure alternate. In fact signing up for Lemmy there's even a field to enter for one. Whether or not a server federates with meta. Meta is still going to data mine the ever-loving shit out of all of them. The point is. None of us are at Meta's wim about being flooded with their toxic content.

Honestly I want to see meta flooded with our content. So much anti-threads anti Meta sentiment. Actual leftists. And not just make believe right-wing liberals who've been conditioned to think that they are left. It would be hilarious to watch Meta try to play wack-a-mole sanitizing everything. To please their reptilian corporate overlords. And if you don't care and just don't want to see it. You can always block them personally. Why let them data mine in peace. I say we make them work for it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not real sure how much the Threads Algorithm is going to pass through Mastodon content (and even less sure if it will even be able to pass through Lemmy content). I think the much more valuable aspect is you can pitch your Threads friends that they can move to the Fediverse and actually get to choose what content they see rather than which influencers paid Meta to fill up your feed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed about influencers. Meta wouldn't be doing this at all if they didn't have a plan (or multiple plans) to monetize it. The whole reason I left Reddit and plan to leave Twitter was that I very much dislike having any part of my online enjoyment at the mercy of the whims of gigantic corporate assholes that think they are far more important than they are. Meta has been an awful and abusive actor in the tech world, why would any freedom-loving person want anything to do with them in a freedom-loving space?! Why would anyone just wait and see what they do this time to decide they're an awful company with only their profits in mind and no qualms about making those profits at a cost to its users?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen a rationale that makes sense for why they're making Threads implement ActivityPub. https://lemmy.world/post/1105955

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Oh they are going to fight it either way no doubt. But why make it easy on them I say. And you're right. If we have access to their content and can provide actual linear feeds like people want with no toxic algorithms. It's win-win for us and still mostly a loss for them. Even if we defiederate with them they're still going to data mine we just cut ourself off from reaching those people preemptively.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not really about privacy, though. It's about the risk of Meta going "Embrace, extend, extinguish" on the fediverse, and the only way to protect against that is by not letting them interact with the majority of it from the get-go. https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

People keep saying that. Like it's something that actually happens. And let's be clear, it has happened with a number of commercial products. But Microsoft and others have never managed to EEE email, HTTP/HTTPS, Usenet, Linux, Java even. And they've tried haaaaaaaaaard. Google didn't EEE XMPP either. It still exists. I use it daily. The author is misrepresenting what happened.

What happened is that too many people felt obligated to work with corporation that had little interest in working with them. Rather than to focus on their own system and continue to update or develop it. Neglecting their core user base, chasing after people who didn't seek it out and didn't care what they were using so long as it worked. They wasted time and effort. But Google didn't actually kill anything. And all the people using Google talk typically weren't interested about XMPP in the first place and never would be.

It goes beyond that even. Lemmy is developed by socialists. And not just the more reasonable bunch of socialists like myself. But straight up militant leninists. They're part of the core development team if not the whole thing. And they have no interest in catering to or coddling misbehaving corporations. They are going to do what they want and what they feel they need to do when they need to do it. And if meta or anyone else tries to screw it up. They're not going to pay one single bit of attention to them and just keep on doing what they've been doing

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would add to this that its not just the fediverse, anything you put on the internet should be assumed to be public and non-deletable. Even with GDPR and everything, if the host deletes everything there could dtill be backups, archives, or some random person, corporation, or government could backup everything. Use secure services like signal for things you want to be private and just assume everything else could be public forever.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a python script floating around that will sync your communities, etc. I'd link but don't have it handy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] mershed_perderders 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Here is the script. It's already written, you just need to run it:

https://lemm.ee/post/608605

Alternatively, there is a browser bookmark that kinda does the same thing: https://feddit.de/post/808717

you can find all sorts of things to customize lemmy over at [email protected] or https://sh.itjust.works/c/plugins (shameless plug)

[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

thank you, bot! Updated my post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How do I run it? Do I go to Command or Run, or do I paste the URL?

[–] 0x4E4F 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got like 150, that wouldn't stop me. Plus you can use curl to export the list of the instances you're subscribed to on your account.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't do coding or dark web stuff so I don't know all the lingo.

[–] 0x4E4F 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are some tools in the plugins section on sh.itjust.works: [email protected].

https://lemmy.world/post/1171660

This is a tool with a GUI that does profile migration. You can use it in Windows and Linux. It migrates almost everything, including subscribed communities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does this work on both Liftoff and the desktop?

[–] 0x4E4F 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It doesn't matter what app you use to connect to Lemmy, it works with the Lemmy API. But, if you're asking if it only works on a desktop, that's a yes. And it works on MacOS as well, just read that in the info.