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I'll go first. Mine is that I can't stand the Deadpool movies. They are self aware and self referential to an obnoxious degree. It's like being continually reminded that I am in a movie. I swear the success of that movie has directly lead to every blockbuster having to have a joke every 30 seconds

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[–] bogdugg 29 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Gonna try to phrase this an inflammatory way:

People who like bad movies have been conditioned by consumerism to not appreciate art. They believe spectacle, humour, and a tight plot are 'good enough', and they don't value thoughtfulness, novelty, beauty, or abrasiveness nearly enough. Film is more than a way to fill time and have fun. Film is more than an explosion, a laugh, and a happy ending.

On an unrelated note: Mad Max: Fury Road is one of my favourite movies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What would you consider a "bad movie," because I wouldn't consider a "tight plot" one of their shared features. Spectacle: absolutely, humor: frequently, tight plot: if only.

[–] bogdugg 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Many Marvel films, for example, are actually competently written plot wise. I also believe lots of them have basically no value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't agree that Marvel films have a competent plot, but maybe that's because I generally struggle to follow the plot through all the other crap, and am left wondering "was that a plot hole or did I space out during all the explosions and miss a critical line of dialogue?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

They've been using the same plot outline for the whole series so they surely have it sorted by now.

[–] ryathal 0 points 8 months ago

Marvel hasn't has a competent plot since infinity war, even then there was a lot of decline starting to happen.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I see you've met my wife. Transformers is the pinnacle of cinema, but 12 Angry Men is boring as fuck because all they do is talk.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's strange that you said that and then said you liked fury road. I thought fury road was the epitome of spectacle and production value with actual value.

[–] bogdugg 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I added that to sort of admit my own hypocrisy; I tried to exaggerate my opinion a bit for the sake of spurring discussion. I mostly believe what I said, but my real thoughts are much messier and less well thought out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

As they should be!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I explain it like this: people assume beer is one product but most economists actually study it as two distinct products: mass production beer and craft beer. They actually behave like two separate markets. People like each for very different reasons. And consumer behavior is very different around both.

That's how I feel about Film and Movies. We may watch them both on a screen, but other than that they are very different things. And you can like both! I love the MCU films. But I don't go expecting intellectual expositions.

I also love Dead Poets Society, Hidden Figures, and Argo. Let people like things. Let people like different things differently. It's OK.