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You can be critical of many things Israel does but banning Hamas doesn't seem like a terrible move to me
Are you really saying that Israel really needed Switzerland's help when they've been running an open air prison for decades? They've never needed help against Hamas.
Which part of my statement makes you think I'm saying that? All I said is banning terrorist party = good.
@100_percent_a_bot @Phanatik Funny how Israel's terrorist party is getting a pass
Is this terrorist party in a room with us right now?
@100_percent_a_bot https://www.wsj.com/video/airstrike-hits-convoy-of-gaza-civilians-fleeing-south/3F735CB9-1162-4304-A1B0-FF4232A38AD7
Is this something about a terrorist Israel party in Switzerland? No? OK then
@100_percent_a_bot https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-disciplines-israeli-minister-who-voiced-openness-hypothetical-nuclear-2023-11-05/
Clearly you've been distracted by something shiny. This is the issue at hand.
Bro you have brain worms. It's OK, things will be fine when current thing is over and next thing comes around
@100_percent_a_bot No, you're just ignorant of the situation and willfully so. You'll get it eventually.
I'm well aware of the messed up shit that Israel is doing, are you at all aware of what Hamas is doing to its own people?
@100_percent_a_bot Tell us what you're aware of about Israel as you haven't shown any more awareness than a rock
I think what Israel is doing in the west bank regarding their settlement policies is really messed up. They should stop expanding them and the existing ones should either be torn down or exchanged through land swaps that compensate Palestinians more than fairly. Now let me ask you this Mr Rock: How would you like Israel to respond to the attacks by Hamas?
@100_percent_a_bot See you're still being intellectually dishonest, or don't you realize that you can't defend yourself from territory you don't own. All the settlements are illegal.
That's what's wrong with you people, you are constantly trying to whitewash Israel standing outside of their own borders as if that's normal or acceptable. When any other people, would be at war with them in a heartbeat, decades ago
Oh but they do own the areas that are constantly attacked through rocket barrages of various terrorists, including hamas from Gaza. I think their responses are often disproportionate but they very well have a right to go after the terrorists.
@100_percent_a_bot https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/dutch-court-orders-halt-export-f-35-jet-parts-israel-2024-02-12/
Take the hint
@100_percent_a_bot conversely, the Palestinians would have every right to go after Israeli terrorists then
Especially considering that Israel wants to continue the Occupation for eternity
https://youtu.be/ExTw0pfeZMA?si=MqGXJTVJk-b6kd9D
Sure thing. They should just continue to lob rockets into Israels general direction and keep killing thousands of their own as suspected Israel collaborators, that will show them
@100_percent_a_bot as compared to Israel lobbing rockets directly at civilians, oppressing civilians for literal generations and thinking that somehow you living in that environment would find it acceptable.
If the shoe were on the other foot, probably wouldn't side with your foreign occupier
You need to learn to think outside the box
Oh now I'd be curious to learn which areas of Palestine you think Isreal is occupying
@100_percent_a_bot Anything outside of Israels borders. Good luck with that
Stop supporting ethnic cleansing. It was wrong when your people did it to the Jews, it's wrong when the Israeli are doing it to the Palestinians
Well according to Hamas and much of the Arab world, Israel proper is Palestine. Let's make a deal: I'll stop supporting the ethnic if you stop spreading terrorist propaganda
@100_percent_a_bot considering you just spread terroristic propaganda, how about you figure out where Israel's borders are. Ask the Israeli and see what they say, once they figure it out.
Then try to figure out why that's a problem. Your neighboring countries, do they know where their borders are? Why doesn't Israel?
Let me know when you tire of defending terrorists
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@100_percent_a_bot https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0WhjQXq7uq/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==
Explain what those residential buildings had to do with terrorism?
You're not engaging and throwing more random propaganda shit... Boring
@100_percent_a_bot Except you've got who the terrorists are wrong. The Israeli invaded the Palestinians not vice versa.
@100_percent_a_bot Can you do us all a favor and post what kind of rockets this 9 year old was firing when the Israeli military executed him?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0OoOMxNuOZ/?igshid=ODhhZWM5NmIwOQ==
Oh you actually completely changed my mind about a grand geopolitical conflict that has been going on for decades by pointing at some random shit, good job buddy. The brain worms must be proud.
@100_percent_a_bot I understand your need to be reductionist to try to escape your complicity with the new Nazi regime
Reality must suck for you
When you finally find your morals and ethics, let us know
You have literal brain damage if you think that current day Israel is anywhere close to where the nazis were. As a german I think it's disgusting that you guys (meaning you and your brain worms) equate everything you don't like to nazis because that's the only history you think you know (you don't).
Besides, I have way more faith in Israel holding the perpetrators of this shooting accountable, should it turn out that the shooters are Israeli than I would have for Hamas or the PA holding anyone accountable ever for killing Israeli citizens. They literally have a fund set up to pay the families of people who kill Israeli and get themselves killed or imprisoned in the process.
@100_percent_a_bot also, it should be mentioned that Israel really prosecutes and punishes Israeli citizens for attacking and killing Palestinians. Even when convicted, their sentences are absurdly light.
Other times they get rewarded for doing it, weren't you just saying this about the Palestinians? It appears your other issue is that you're ignorant of the situation.
Israel is a terrorist nation, remember that
https://www.timesofisrael.com/campaign-to-free-israeli-killer-of-palestinian-family-raises-over-nis-1-2-million/amp/
You pointed to Israeli getting sentences for crimes against Palestinians. Can you point to any Palestinians who got even absurdly light sentences for killing Israeli?
@100_percent_a_bot and now we will see your problem, you're a German with a pro Israel bias. To the extent at which you'll excuse all of their atrocities against the Palestinians because of your national guilt.
If it helps to know, we forgive you. You need to forgive yourselves. The only way Israel differs from Nazi Germany, is the lack of the train service to the Palestinian territories. Aside from that, Israel's conducting ethnic cleansing, Holocaust minor if it makes you feel any better
Didn't ask, your forgiveness means nothing to me because I didn't owe you anything to begin with. My stance on the issue has nothing to do with my nationality, I'd just pick a flawed democracy that somewhat enforces liberal values over a dictatorship of terrorists that rewards people for murdering jews.
And it shows that you know absolutely nothing about the holocaust if you think that what Israel is doing right now is anywhere close to it. In fact, there's probably no genocide in the history of humanity that was anywhere close to the scale and brutality of it. If Israel wanted to actually cleanse Gaza from the map we wouldn't see 15k dead (and that's the upper end Hamas number) within two months but rather 10 - 20 times that within weeks. Israel has the means of wiping them off the map completely so why don't they?
@100_percent_a_bot You people really expect us to believe that this was necessary for Israel's "self defense"
https://youtu.be/3EhYOIY_4AA?si=DTdatja5kv8oVuYr
Using military weapons against civilians is illegal
The thing is: Hamas is the only organization actually doing anything for the Palestinian cause (remember 2021). I also find the designation terrorist group pretty biased towards the US (the attack's details are still up in the air, and otherwise they're using questionable means to fight an occupier), but either way "ban Hamas" does nothing but reaffirm the status quo. Anyone designating Hamas as a terrorist group has to do the same for Israel, because they do everything Hamas is criticized for doing, only on a larger scale and with a lot more dead people.
Are you seriously questioning the designation of Hamas as a terrorist group?
What. The. Fuck. Is. Wrong. With. You?
Israel is occupying Palestine. Netanyahu's government is implementing collective punishment. The IDF have killed 10x as many civilians as Hamas. And Hamas is a terrorist organization.
AFAIK Hamas has mostly been doing rocket attacks since 2006, which are pretty questionable but have a clear military purpose.
I wouldn't say "clear."
Yes, missiles are weapons more associated with military operations than terrorism.
But Hamas doesn't perform "military operations" AFAIK. They don't "advance" on areas or take cities or any other goal I associate with military offensives.
The strategy, from what I can tell, is to launch missiles at civilians in order to terrorize Israel. It's just terrorism with missiles.
(And yeah, while the IDF does appear to have more traditional military operations, it is also clear that terrorizing Palestine is a specific goal. They also deserve the title.)
The missiles force Israel to use the iron dome, which makes sense from an attrition perspective. Also they sometimes use large amounts of them to get concessions out of Israel (see: 2021). They're basically what gives Hamas teeth in this conflict.
Hamas rips up pipe to make rockets, and steals construction supplies to make tunnels.
The pipe and supplies that are supposed to help Palestinians live and survive without disease.
So that Hamas can apply pressure to ISRAEL for the Palestinian conditions?
Myself and literally everyone I know want to support the Palestinians. And it's impossible to support them while Hamas (or another jihadist organization) is there.
What's preventing you from supporting Palestine is Israel, who wants to keep Palestinians divided so they can claim there's no representative of the Palestinian people and therefore they can't negotiate for peace. For context, Gaza was first blockaded in 2005, before Hamas's election.
Also another question: Then what about the West Bank? The PNA, which has denounced nonviolence for 30 years, is the one in charge there, yet they're still being ethnically cleansed. That's how Hamas got in charge.
You're correct on most things.
Thanks for thinking for yourself.
Hamas has singlehandedly set back the prospects for a Palestinian state for years, maybe decades. It's really ironic that you believe they do anything to help Palestinians. Also they are the ones who have the biggest interest in getting as many Palestinian people killed by Israel as they possibly can. They do so by preventing them from leaving and using them as human shields for their military installations.
They've been set back since Netenyahu got elected in 1996. That's the moment when peace failed; everything that came after was farces, and the result of that was Hamas winning the election in 2006.
You can go back and forth, decade for decade to the creation of the state of Israel and infinitely point fingers at either side on why palestinian statehood never became a thing. Fact is, it won't be a thing in the foreseeable future and the good will and sympathy that the people in Gaza had with many Israeli probably suffered a lot as well. And no one in their right mind can argue that the Palestinians in Gaza wouldn't be better off if they were governed by literally anyone else than a terror org that is functionally an Iranian proxy.
Does goodwill that doesn't translate into action even matter? I mean the only time they elected a guy who was willing to solve the whole thing he was assassinated and Netanyahu came in his place. This is like saying the Irish lost the British's sympathy because of the troubles, which is like yeah I guess but unless that goodwill generates action it doesn't matter. Important historical context here is that Israel never came to the negotiation table without use of force by Palestinians. Even the Oslo accords only came by because of the first intifada.
That is to say, Hamas's approach doesn't have good odds of success, but it's good a much better shot than whatever the PNA is doing in the West Bank, and Israel has created a situation where only these two options exist.
Hamas literally ran politically as MODERATES. They've gone full jihadist. Without democratic process to keep the structure honest no party can be trusted.
What? Idk what the specifics of their platform were, but Hamas's general platform was "10 years of peace and we got nothing, 5 years of fighting and we freed Gaza".