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Wake-up Call: Democrats could easily lose the White House and Senate next year
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The "Biden sucks" narrative is a little out of control at the moment. I hope his team pivots to highlight all of his successes around the time Trump is getting tossed in prison. That should hopefully be enough juxtaposition for even the most terminally online idiots in this country to not vote for the meme candidate again.
Part of the problem also is that centrist Dem voters are single issue queens and will refuse to turn out if they don't get their way on certain issues, and a lot of them are drawing lines in the sand over Israel/Palestine right now. In case anybody hasn't be paying attention, let me assure you, Trump will not end the war in the middle east. If anything, he will accelerate it. If you're unhappy about Biden supporting Israel but calling for an end to hostilities, boy are you going to be upset if Trump takes the White House and endorses full-on genocide of Muslims in the west bank and complete Russian supremacy in Ukraine.
The centrists are much happier than the leftists with Biden, I've seen more voter apathy among leftists who are tired of voting for center-right candidates while right wing extremists get to vote for fascists that openly support them.
I wasn't exactly an enthusiastic Biden voter last go-around, I thought he was probably past his prime even in the primaries and think his VP is pathetic, BUT there's not even a choice going into 2024. You've got one guy who already staged one insurrection attempt, is openly planning to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship, fumbled the US's pandemic response, gave US secrets away rival countries, is likely beholden to one of our biggest global adversaries, had almost no actual accomplishments to speak of during his term, and consistently breaks the law on a daily/weekly basis. And then you've got a middle-of-the-road, generic politician who has actually racked up some achievements in the past four years, but has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth from time to time. The Israel-Palestine thing is essentially a continuation of US policy for the past few dozen years, yeah it sucks and wish we could do something more than giving them more weapons and just limply saying, "Could you please kill civilians maybe not so fast, just ease up a little bit?" But yeah, Trump would likely give them the ok to just start nuking Gaza/West Bank and might even offer US nukes for the job. Trying to pressure Democrats to change course on Israel by essentially handing the election over to Trump will not help the Palestinian cause any, the same way that being pissed off about Bernie Sanders and sitting out 2016 basically handed Trump and the GOP a SCOTUS majority (note: I supported Sanders in the 2016 primary).
I don't see it as a vote for Biden, rather a vote against Trump
Funny enough, there's research demonstrates that people vote against the voters of a party, and it turns out that people don't like being called idiots for disagreeing politically with someone, and that they'll go so far as to vote against the party of voters calling them idiots.
Maybe just something to think about.
Interesting premise, have a link to the research?
It's party specific though. Republican voters get shit on constantly and never waiver at the vote. It's people in the center and to the left that will just not show up if they've been slighted.
I say this way to often, but I'm ex Republican and we used to joke about how much the lefts bickering handed us elections. The only way to fix this country is to show up and vote dem because you can be damn sure Republicans are going to show up regardless of the candidate they choose.
the amount of republicans who acknowledge trumps treason saying "I'm not sure yet" when asked if they will vote for trump is insane. They are just picking a color at this point. It could be anyone.
I am going to be bugging everyone I know come next November. We need apathetic centrists to vote to prevent more trump, make them know what's at stake
Isn't one of the parties' voters calling people baby killers, groomers/pedophiles, deranged/insane for disagreeing with them politically?
This mentality of picking between worst options isn't very appealing. Better y'all vote for some third party (even if they don't win as whole)
that's almost the worst thing you can do in a two party system, short of not voting at all. It sucks that the system only really allows two parties but throwing away your vote on a third party is not the way to fix it
First-Past-the-Post voting makes this shit suck so hard. Not only does voting third party reduce the threshold for the rest of the field and in particular the party I definitely don't want in power, that party is most incentivised to prop up my third party candidate. They get to count my vote as win, and with the stakes as high as they are even losing an election cycle means people I care about get seriously hurt.
Why it is a two party system?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_splitting
Our election system is inherently biased against 3rd party candidates. So we're stuck with two parties.
And money's involvement in politics just exacerbates everything.
you're the one advocating for a third party vote, you should know
Insulting people isn't going win us change towards a more fair electoral system.
So what you're trying to tell us, is that we literally have no choice who to vote for.
A lot of people would rather see this increasingly undemocratic system collapse entirely than to try to hold it together with bandaids with no one stopping the cause of the bleeding.
If there's literally zero way through voting to influence the behavior of politicians without making things worse, then why bother voting or participating in this psychopathic system at all?
And if your response is something like "you're an idiot, shut up you idiot!", then you're just sticking your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la-la-la.
Your job isn't to demonstrate your virtue through tribal arguments, your job is to understand why people don't want to vote for Biden.
You just need to stop lecturing and scolding for like, a few dang minutes.
Look at what it was like in Russia after the Soviets fell and tell me how great it will be when the system falls.
A few guys with money swarmed in and snatched up all the goodies, while the people got nothing.
People who were living on pensions, or needed constant medical care, or were too young to work took the brunt of it.
a lot of people love to fantasize but are the first to cry for help when shit hits the fan
Feel free to drive to the mountains, leave all your possessions behind, and enjoy the collapse you clearly want without dooming millions of us to death
I hope you are just young and haven't gotten to social studies subject in school yet.
We have a system that guarantees a stalemate between two parties.
If we had Ranked Choice Voting, we could actually have third, fourth, fifth etc parties that actually have a chance.
In our reality today a third party vote is like not showing up at all. It wont do a thing.
Appealing? No.
Necessary? Depends what the issues are and how they impact you.
It comes down to game theory. Voting against the lesser evil is advantageous to you because if they win, things will be slightly less bad. If you throw your hands up and say it doesn't matter, you're not giving any disadvantage to the greater evil.