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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly, as long as trans women aren't played by cis dudes that's an improvement over the past century.

[–] h3rm17 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Poont is, I don't really care who plays who, I'm okay with a trans woman being played by a cis dude, and a cis dude being played by a trans woman, it should not matter as long as their acting is good.

[–] prole 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What you are missing is a century plus of the thumb on the scale (much longer if you go back to Shakespeare where only men could play women). The world doesn't suddenly become a complete meritocracy overnight (if ever), and striving for equal representation in the arts is very important.

Just look at how children of color have been inspired since Disney decided to start making protagonists that look like them and have similar backgrounds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No actor of any gender now is lacking skill because of Shakespeare...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree, but a key takeaway is to also ensure that trans actors aren't discriminated against for any role so that they receive a fair chance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why can't they be? Your issue is when it's mocking trans women, but anyone could play the role and then mock trans women.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you aware that trans women are not physiologically the same as cis men? (If you weren't, now you are.)

Now do you understand how casting a cis man in the role of a trans woman will emphasize masculine features of the character, and that it plays into a narrative that trans women are men? (if you weren't, now you are.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you aware that trans women are not physiologically the same as cis men?

Everything I've seen has been based on brain difference trends. Not anything near indicating every trans woman is physiologically different from a cis man. (If they were you could easily identify trans babies for example.)

Now do you understand how casting a cis man in the role of a trans woman will emphasize masculine features of the character, and that it plays into a narrative that trans women are men? (if you weren't, now you are.)

This is what I assumed was your concern, which honestly I think is shallow. You view it as transphobic to portray "non-passing" trans person (not to mention that a cis man could still pass) but, doesn't that "erase"(I don't agree that not depicting something erases it, but many believe it does) the experiences of non-passing trans women?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay and? Assuming that's you saying you're trans. Again, not all trans people are passing, take hormones, or corrective surgery. + There are plenty of non-permanent alternatives that a cis person could use. One of my best friends wears breast forms for example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Historically, trans woman characters have been played by men.

" bUt NoT AlL"

fuck off. The majority of trans women are physiologically different from men; the majority of actors who have played trans women are men. That's fucked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where did I say "But not all" anywhere???

The majority of trans women are physiologically different from men;

What does this mean?? Are you talking about brain wise? Because that doesn't matter, for an actor, it's not visual. If you're talking about affirmative care wise, no.

"In 2015, the largest survey of transgender people in the United States reported that 25% of respondents reported having undergone such a surgery." And trans rates are notoriously undercounted so it's likely an even lower percentage.

Would it be just as wrong for a trans man, without affirming care to play a trans woman in your eyes?

What about a trans woman without affirming care?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You dingus. It means exactly what it means. The bodies, and face, of trans women are different from men. 98.61% of trans women in the US take HRT. HRT changes the body. How can you be this dense?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plenty of cis men are not physically distinguishable than those on HRT. There are plenty of cis men with "feminine" fat distro, and thinner body hair.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The lengths you would go to to find such a rare person with such a rare endocrine disorder just so that you could avoid hiring a transwoman to play a transwoman.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Danish_Girl_(film)

As long as they don't go all Little Britain on it, I don't see it as a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, so, addendum: if the story is set in a time or place where the character wouldn't have access to hormones, then it's fine.

There's also a case to be made that if you have sufficient fuckery with CGI, you could make a story during an ongoing medical transition.

What I'm talking about is throwing a wig and some powder on some lantern jawed dude and calling it a day.