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That seems like something Germany would do.
Currently, suggesting Israel shouldn't genocide an entire population is antisemitism, so it's only natural for Germany to move as far away from that as possible.
I don't think that is the case, you just have to be very precise in your wording. And yeah, suggesting that Israel should just have to sit there and watch the missiles fly without fighting back because Hamas hides under Hospitals, I think is at least problematic. One could ask that of a third power, but not the one that's being shot at. They must have the right to shoot back to end the attacks on their people.
To the matter at hand, chanted in German streets, "from the river to the sea" sounds far too similar to "von der Maas bis an die Memel" to not carry that connotation of driving Israel out entirely.
A demonstrator with the sign "From the river to the sea, we demand equality" was also detained at a demonstration in Berlin last week.
The historic comparision cannot hold for this.
Also the historic comparision struggles with the fact, that Germany lost its territories in two wars it started as a sovereign nation. The palestinians lost their territory, as the British colonial power receeded and let Israel forcefully displace them and continue to displace them.
And that will be discussed in a court of law, in a country that is very carefully watching the freedom of opinion and repression of minorities.
If you are talking about Germany then you have no idea what living in a majority-muslim neighbourhood has been like the past couple of weeks.
I live in Germany, but not in any neighbourhood that you describe, so yes I cannot relate. I was however talking about our courts.
So far there has been no proof for Israels claims concerning Hamas hiding under hospitals. Actually the Doctors in those hospitals seem to disagree with that opinion.
It might just turn out to be the "chemical weapons" that Hussein was hiding in Irak. Spoiler: he didn't, but "trust me bro".
You mean apart from countless documented tunnel networks leading directly into hospitals, schools amd other civilian places with clear signs of militant activity in them.
It's your good right to not believe such videos coming from the Israeli army, but there's a lot of evidence supporting the Israeli claims.
I'm not even talking about all of the weapons they found. I'm talking about signs of hostages being held there, booby traps in the tunnel walls and signs of people living in these tunnels for way longer than the current open conflict.
I mean why should I believe Israeli state propaganda? They do actually need justification for what they did, so they have a strong need to proove what legalized their actions.
Also I feel like if there are tunnels below the hospital, that's kind of far away from their claim of Hamas having their central points under hospitals.
Finally, the weapons and "signs of hostages being held there", for the first part I'd say it's 50:50 of who placed them there. For the hostages I'd hope for the sake of the hostages that they were being held near Hospitals, so there's a chance of them still being alive after all the bombing.
But maybe I am delusional, I admit that seing all those deaths in the past weeks made me loose all sympathy that was left for the state of Israel.
"for the first part I'd say it's 50:50 of who placed them there" totally agree. That's exactly why I left them out of the equation.
"that they were being held ear Hospitals" but that's exactly the point, isn't it? If there were hostages there, then that's undeniable proof that there were Hamas terrorists there. No matter, why they were kept there, this remains an undeniable consequence.
All that aside, I too hate all of the bloodshed that is happening to the people of Palestine. Even though, I also understand why Israel was forced to do what they are doing now. No matter, who did what in the past, there simply is no conceivable timeline in which the events of the past weeks would have played out any differently and I bet that's exactly what Hamas was counting on. They need the people to hate Israel so they can keep their power and they don't care how many Israelis and Palestinians get killed in the process.
I hope that you know this is not a news website. You might want to make use of /s for satirical contributions.
That's not natural it's distinctly artificial.