Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).
It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.
My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.
I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325
Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.
https://lemmy.world/post/747912
https://lemmy.world/post/577526
Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.
Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.
TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.
EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.
EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.
Very well, I understand your perspective. You are obviously a valuable user and I will be sad to see you go if this vote doesn't go your way.
Nonetheless, I must also be faithful to my own convictions, and I cannot agree that this is an easy decision. The main caveat to your argument is that we outnumber them 25 to 1, and many of us are currently already blocking them, or blocked by them. If they had as much influence on this server as you imply, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
I would like to discuss this topic at a later date, just out of intellectual curiosity.
Understand, it's not that I think exploding heads in specific is the root of all evil. The nazi bar effect isn't the result of one bad actor turning everything bad. It's that sh.itjust.works has demonstrated that it takes well over a week to respond to what appears to be pretty blatant alt-right stuff and a public vote to disavow it, with pretty much admin silence over that week. Where were they? Why choose not to act? More importantly, why not say anything about the choice? This makes it look like a prime place for anyone sympathetic to come around and start astroturfing, and that's what they've done.
I'd feel much differently if there'd been any kind of explanation of why the first vote on agora was just summarily ignored despite the topic cropping up multiple times per day before and since, but aside from "we need some time to think" buried into comments, I'm not aware of anything. The admins were thinking something, and that is fine, but we weren't given the option to decide if we agreed or disagreed with the reasons for delaying and now rre-voting. I'd call that a bad look any day, but it's a much worse look immediately on the heels of big talk about making the server democratic.
I'd be happy to talk about why I think large servers are a mistake any time. The explanation is even partly couched in these answers, because I know some of the reasons things are slow is because of the size of the server.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888
Do you mean this post? This is not a functional democratic process. The OP himself describes it as a shitshow. If we had simply defederated them based on that, I'd have everyone else at my throat for allowing a sham of a democracy.
This, right now, is a democratic process. I linked all of the other threads, the people have access to all of the information they need to decide on their vote. We are currently having an informative discussion.
I think this is working, don't be so pessimistic. Lemmy is going to be different.
The voting process was young. It probably wasn't great. It might have even been a "shitshow." But it was still good enough to agree on defederating a malicious instance.