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Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).

It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.

My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.

I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325

Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.

https://lemmy.world/post/747912

https://lemmy.world/post/577526

Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.

Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.

TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.

EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.

EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.

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[–] Rogue_General 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It just kicks the can down the road

Disagreed. In fact it's the opposite, it will lead to an overall healthier fediverse.

Because defederation kneecaps their abilty to recruit from & propagandize the the masses.

Additionally, actions like this typically cause a decline in those extremist spaces for various social and psychological reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I would think this would only be true if only the fediverse existed. But what you would essentially be doing is encouraging them to create a separate fediverse that is ignored. They can still recruit in other ways. Do you think the proud boys and the oath keepers came in to existence because of the fediverse? How did they recruit? All they have to do is set up their own instances of social media replacements, right? I’d sure like to see the studies that support your claim that actions like these on the internet cause the decline you’re talking about. You may be right, I’d sure like to have access to the information you’re using to be so sure about this.