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[โ€“] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I must admit that I eventually got used to it and even started enjoying this attitude, which I also took part in, but I was quite amazed by the Finns.

For work reasons, I had to spend three months in Espoo and the interaction with my colleagues was strangely cold in social interactions. Examples:

  • In the office canteen, they would sit next to you and start eating without even greeting or making conversation. I wondered why they had chosen to sit next to me.
  • When they finished eating, they would get up from the table and not say goodbye.
  • The scrupulous respect for personal space: in queues, crowds, etc.
  • Small talk was generally non-existent. People often preferred to stay quiet rather than chat about the weather or other common topics. Even in an elevator, silence was the norm, not the exception.
  • During meetings, the Finns would often speak only when they had something substantial to contribute. The silence in between wasn't considered awkward, but a moment of thoughtfulness and respect for others' ideas.

I ended up enjoying this way of social interaction. It seems to me that one uses less energy in social situations. There's less stress about having to make conversation or engage in small talks.

Love you Finland.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Right ... TIL I'm finnish and must have been adopted ... cool!

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This makes me want to go to Finland for a visit. The lack of small talk seems very efficient.

Maybe they wanted to conserve calories during colder climates. I wonder if other cold climates have less small talk in social settings.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Shut up! I'm trying to stay warm here." - Some ancient Finn

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I've heard it's fairly expensive place to visit though ๐Ÿ˜…

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an American I don't want to interact with my coworkers. As an Italian I don't want to either. I am so happy wfh right now. Socializing with people who aren't my friends is not something I enjoy.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Ataraxia @darkl1nk My boss tries to socialize and game with me on my time off, but I mostly avoid this at all costs because it keeps me in a workplace state of mind and it feels like I can't escape my job

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Even if it was possible to feel at ease and not in a work mindset while hanging with them, it's just wise not to get that close, it makes it harder in future to be selective in what you divulge about your private life which can give your boss leverage over you. Sometimes you may need a "sick" day and it's just better if they don't know enough personal information to be able to determine how sick you are and make everything awkward.

That might seem dishonest, but there's reasons why you might need to the employer to know only what they need to know and they aren't necessarily laziness or incompetence. It's a shame because it's nice that your boss wanted to be friends but unfortunately there's always going to be that fact that they're your boss which gets in the way of that and everyone is better off keeping things arm's length