Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Hexbear and Grad users defend genocidal regimes like Ruzzia and China. They excuse their crimes and argue in bad faith. I had so many insane discussions before I decided to block both of these instances entirely.
They are, by every single sense of the word, tankies.
Tankie is not just an oblivious term that has no meaning. It signifies a red fascist. It's like arguing that it's bad that we don't let neonazis in discussions. They do not care about discussing. All they want is to spread their disgusting ideas while hiding them behind leftism.
By defederating from these instances, we don't become less leftists. These people are not leftist.
This is not a slippery slope. It is a necessary step to ensure the growth of this website and actually worthwhile discussions.
Well spoken.
interacting with them does nothing but benefit them and the spread of their lies and propaganda. It brings nothing of value for anyone else.
It can be worth to set a counter-point. But I wouldn't do so in hopes of changing the tankie's mind. Rather to help the audience.
Elevating propaganda and lies to the level of proper discourse services no purpose but giving them false legitimacy and wider spread.
I guess we summed up two main arguments for both sides in neat one-liners.
I mostly agree, except:
They are leftists, on top of the genocide they support they're also all for workers owning the means of production. Leftism isn't "when good," right isn't "when bad," left and right are economic distinctions symbolizing the people on one side and the aristocracy on the other. There can in fact be "bad leftists" just as there can be "bad rightoids." Bad people exist everywhere, not just at republican conventions.
Why not?
If you support brutal totalian regimes, with your only excuse being "America bad," you only use leftist as a label, not a belief system.
constant use of :burn_us_flag: emoji
But is 'leftist' actually a belief system? Left vs Right seems to me to be a political construct applicable to the individual country in question, if it can even be applied at all.
Another words, i guess I don't see the point of assigning "tankies" to left or right.
Probably the authoritarian fascist governments they support.
Authoritarianism isn't inherently non-left? After all, Robespierre was pretty authoritarian
their anti SJW edgelords just with a communist ~~bent~~ perspective.
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Why is them not being leftist? Do you just interpret left = good?
Bad phrasing on my part. the only thing required to be anti SJW is to be not a liberal. Socialism is distinctive from liberalism, concervitism, (heck, even mormanism), and a lot of other ideologys.
Can't deradicalize extremists without engaging them. Not to say where and when that should happen, or that the moral argument is even relevant. As Popper said in the wake of WWII,
Being anti imperialism that's funded by the America war machine is not the same as being a tankie.
American tax dollars are very very involved in this conflict. This war
Which war are you talking about now? If you mean the one in Gaza right now, yeah, I would agree with the fact that America is tied to it.
Supporting Hamas, however, is not anti imperial.
I'd argue that they are more leftists because of that as many if not all leftists I've known behave pretty similar to them
No.
I agree with you about grad/hex ultimately being or supporting red fascists, but I'm not convinced that world's admins are using this much nuance to make their decision. They probably saw some angry anti-Israel comments and just assumed it's all hate speech.
They should have done it sooner, when they had schizo takes about the Ukraine war or China
Fear not, Marxists on this site have left us with no shortage of vile views to be disgusted with. From their shitty views on Ukraine to their genocide denial of genocides that happened under Marxist regimes to their defense of dictators that murdered millions to their blatant antisemitism (and no I don't mean anti-Israel, I mean actual antisemitism) to their advocacy of crime... they leave us with a lot of good reasons to defederate.