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Once again, I'll believe it when I see it.
I've long since lost any hope of real consequences.
This has really brought to light just how broken our legal system is. It's not even remotely just Trump, it's virtually everyone with money and/or power.
Elon Musk straight up directly helped protect the offensive military assets of an enemy nation during their ongoing, unprovoked invasion of a country ours is fully invested in protecting, and nothing happened.
Fun fact: It's not just the legal system. It's kind of fucking everything. Corruption is everywhere. It's progressively gotten worse over the decades while not enough people cared to do anything about it. Now we have campaign finance shenanigans, lobbying tomfoolery, citizens united ruling, regulatory capture all over, the first trillion dollar company and numerous other oligopolies. Here in the good ol' US of A, it's Dollar Über Alles.
It's not everywhere. You don't have to bribe/tip your doctor or your police.
But yes, in higher levels there's a lot. I'd still say less than half of Congress is explicitly compromised.
We're far from the bottom, but also far from where we should be. This police problem should be first on the list.
you don't have to tip your doctor because he's already bending you over anyway
And still don't
What are people supposed to do about it?
I think the problem there might be that we don't actually have a law prohibiting that yet (probably because until recently, it wasn't possible for one guy to have the power to do that sort of thing in the first place). We apparently need one, but we can't do anything about the Musk incident because of the whole "ex post facto" thing.
I’m assuming that because his network is carrying what the US would consider classified information, he (and his involved employees) have clearances and have signed those great NDAs that will send you to prison for violating them.
I’d be interested to see an infosec audit of the top offices.
You're suggesting a law mandating that private businesses must allow their products to be used for military purposes? That sounds fashy as fuck to me
First of all, no, that's not at all what I said and I resent the your dishonest attempt at DARVO-ing. Musk is the fascist here, not me.
Second, your argument about SpaceX being a "private business" is ridiculously oversimplistic. It is intimately intertwined with the US government in myriad ways, from receiving grants to develop its technology in the first place, to having contracts to launch stuff on behalf of NASA and other government agencies, to being subject to the regulations of the FCC, FAA, etc.
Third, Musk allowed his product to be used to help Ukraine voluntarily, then he betrayed that commitment in order to play kingmaker and interfering in something he had no right to. He shouldn't get to pick and choose what Ukraine does with the service any more than Comcast and AT&T should get to pick and choose what websites people visit.
Yes. Furthermore it seems if you’ve ever held office, been a director, worn a uniform or robe your invincible. Unless you did the right thing. I’m sure you get punished for having integrity.
You can thank a single, unnamed, person in 1874 for that. Congress passed section 1983 of the Federal Code in 1871. They included a 16 word clause that the person entrusted to copy the Congressional Record into the Federal Register illegally omitted. This clause became the focal point of Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. Because the 1982 SCOTUS didn't bother checking the Congressional Record, because why would they, the entire argument that allowed Qualified Immunity revolves around the missing clause. Had they had they original text, they wouldn't have ruled the way they did.
Got more details on this missing clause? I'd like to learn more.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html
The consequences haven't been fully enforced yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. He's already been found guilty of fraud and there's already an order from the judge to dissolve Trump Org and all presence in NY - hotels, golf courses, businesses, etc. The rest of the trial is just "how much of an additional fine does Trump need to pay?"
Of course, there will be appeals and it's possible the verdict gets overturned. Still, it's a promising direction.
Yeah a lawyer said this. Gotta watch those words carefully. Lawyer dawg vs lawyer dog.
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