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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ffs it’s on fucking Wikipedia (famously a whitewashed cesspit):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger - under “Postwar”: “In April 1961, he was appointed Chairman of the NATO Military Committee[5] in Washington, DC, where he served until 1964 when he retired”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Steinhoff - FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE: “Johannes "Macky" Steinhoff (15 September 1913 – 21 February 1994) was a Luftwaffe fighter ace during World War II, German general, and NATO official.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Speidel - Again, first paragraph: “(…) a major figure in German rearmament, integration into NATO”.

And my favourite, not in the photo, but the FUCKING FOUNDER OF THE CURRENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCY OF GERMANY: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen - THE NAZI ASSASSIN HIMSELF.

You barely did any research and you come saying ALL appears to be false? When EVERYTHING about the picture is true? Get the fuck out of here. You either are an ill-intentioned Nazi or you are ignorant and proud of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My bad I can admit when I'm wrong. thanks for providing everyone with the links. Not a nazi just made a mistake.

I was mostly struggling with the commander in chief of NATO ground forces in Central Europe. it's difficult to find a list of all the holders

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry for getting heated. But this to me must be what qanon chuds feel like when they “learn” the world is controlled by pedophilic vampires.

But this is actually real.

The US and NATO literally internationalised Nazism.

Nazism’s main inspiration was the USA. Manifest Destiny is Lebensraum, racial segregation are the Jewish ghettos, the holocaust is the indigenous genocide. Aryan supremacy and the breeding programs are American eugenics. Hitler even says as much.

And the US saw all that and thought “damn, that’s too on the nose. But those guys are good. Let’s take all of them and hide them around the world and learn as much as we can!”.

Then after WW2 you get the Indonesian politicide of over 1 million people (a political genocide). You get dozens of millions killed in military invasions by the US in Vietnam and Korea.

The “stay-behind” fascist organisations in Europe, in Greece, Turkey, Italy etc. killed thousands of anarchists and communists and kept the pre-war status quo under a more American “hidden” fascism (read on Operation Gladio, P2, Organisation Gehlen etc etc etc.).

And yea, it might be hard to find some sources on all this. Because this all was secret, by the CIA or black orgs. But still, you CAN find a lot. At least to paint the big picture.

Which is: fascism is the modern name for European colonial ideology. It was epitomised and perfected in the USA, and it came into conflicts with communism in Europe. The USSR was clearly steamrolling Germany, so the US had to interfere to stop the USSR from reaching London. After WW2, the European colonial ideology (fascism) simply returned to its pre-war state and continued to grow under the guidance of the US. The US managed to dismantle most of its enemies, and “won history” in the 90s. Now we basically live in this neoliberal fascistic hellhole people call “late stage capitalism”, where millions of black and brown people die of starvation while breaking their backs hauling the resources needed to keep the middle class of the Imperial Core pacified and happy.

Things are falling apart again, because capitalism can’t sustain itself, so the extreme right is rising again, certainly with the help of the same CIA and black orgs as before, to ensure a leftist (anti-capitalist, socialist) revolution never happens again.