THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
① Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.
② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Good to know he definitely wouldn't have killed anyone if not for that...
This exact, particular death was a direct fucking result. It has nothing to do with some fantasy land theories, it's simply the truth that this particular person would have not been hit by the officer. Could something else have happened also bad? Literally an impossible question to answer and an equally moronic question to ask. We are not talking in whataboutisms, this is a literal cause and effect of a particular incident that could have been avoided. But nah let's play fucking butterfly effect.
She wasn't hit by the officer though, she was hit by the fleeing stolen truck.
You're engaging in nitpickery, but yes, this wreck was a stolen truck crashing into an innocent woman's vehicle, not a police car crashing into an innocent woman's vehicle. You are correct, but she is still dead.
The driver of the stolen vehicle went the wrong way on the freeway, to elude cops that were chasing him, over a crime of no significance compared to a person's life.
I don't think its nitpicky to correct someone who said that the women had been hit by the officer.
If I pull a fire alarm in a crowded theater and a person dies in the panic because they were trampled, it's still my fault because the danger wouldn't have existed without my actions. if the police hadn't engaged in a reckless and pointless chase so they could feel like an action hero, this woman would still be alive - in case I need to spell it out for you, the theif wouldn't have felt the need to drive into oncoming traffic without an entire department chasing him down - and they would've still apprehended the criminal. real life isn't like GTA where if you hide in an alley for a few minutes your wanted level disappears.
another point: if the cops couldn't find the criminal without engaging in a deadly chase, we still have the same conclusion of cops being absolute pig shit at their supposed job. ALL cops are bastards, especially the murderous psychopaths that wanna feel like speed racer in between harassing minorities and shooting dogs
This page is about exposing and explaining the police problem, for those willing to listen and learn. Questions and quibbles are welcome, but you've asked your question and it's been answered several times, which brings us to a Rule 2 reminder: If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.