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  1. We're trying to improving working conditions and pay.

  2. We're trying to reduce the numbers of hours a person has to work.

  3. We talk about the end of paid work being mandatory for survival.

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Property developer and CEO Tim Gurner: "We need to see unemployment rise. Unemployment has to jump 40, 50 percent in my view. We need to see pain in the economy. We need to remind people that they work for the employer, not the other way around."

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you allocate scarce resources? Competition

Competition is far from the only way to allocate scarce resources. If you make one box of mac and cheese, do you make your kids fight over who gets what share?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How do you create close bonds between strangers that other ways become possible?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...what? I don't know what you're getting at.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a bond within family that makes sharing food possible. There is distrust between strangers so that sharing is not usual. Generally people don't share food at work.

What is needed to establish sharing as the primary way to resolve conflicts?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People share food all the time at work -- if there's a cake at an office party, you don't fight over who gets what. People share more important things at work, too, like a saw at a construction site or a printer in an office. Competion has its uses, but it's often destructive and wasteful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can those examples be generalized on how to handle resource conflicts?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

jesse-wtf

Why not just say what you mean?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cake is a present where everybody gets a slice because the cake was selected accordingly.

If only one person can get promoted, or an increased budget for wages is available, could that be resolved without managers, not just in theory but all over the world?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We're talking about allocting scarce resources via cooperation, not competition. Whether you could make every organization completely flat (no managers) is tangential.

I see what you're getting at, though, and yes, of course we can allocate scarce resources by cooperation at a global scale. It already happens even in capitalist countries on issues of tremendous importance, see the negotiations around how water from the Colorado River is allocated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Education. Same way we all learned not to kinfe fight people at the mall.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, but it's not personal relations that prevent the fighting but the threat of being expelled.

You are essentially arguing that it takes capitalistic ownership to enforce social behavior.

How do you prevent knife-fights outside the mall?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nah, I don't knife fight people in the mall because that shit sucks and I have been educated about it. It isn't because society will deny me a Cinnabon if I do.