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We've come close a few times, but assholes from outside have stepped in to crush them.
The Free Territory of Ukraine existed from 1918 to 1921under the loose leadership of Nester Makhno. The Bolsheviks under Lenin crushed it, because actual communism was a threat to their authoritarian ideals. Even so, It wasn't quite at the level of true communism.
Catalonia in the late 1930s was actually close to true communism, and saw massive increases in the standard of living and overall production, until the Fascist dictator Franco won the Spanish Civil War with help from Hitler.
It's a running theme. Every time the people saw enough of the bullshit, fascists and authoritarians jump in and try to seize control again.
In the slow times between the fascists and authoritarians committing violence against the left, bootlickers spread lies and pro-capitalist propaganda, even when they don't actually understand the words they type.
For thousands of years, kings and their nobles were the "strongest society" and then we the people happened to them.
The entire concept of Social Darwinism is a construct of the Nazis to justify their bullshit, it's since migrated to the wider audience of right-wing dipshits who can't open a history book unless it has eagles on the cover.
Coincidentally, about 75% of the anti-communist activity of the last 100 years has been a combination of ignorant right-wing dipshit and literal Nazis. The world anti-communist league still exists (with a name change), and still spends money on spreading literal Nazi propaganda (with a coat of paint).
The other 25% of the anti-communist activity has come from pretend communists who felt threatened. (see Hungary, 1956)
Americans love freedom, sure.
But they sure lack it.
Freedom of speech? Yeah, I'll give you that one.
America is in no position to argue FOR the welfare and safety of children, considering what those gun freedoms regularly do to them.
Everything else though? America lacks compared to its western allies.
Compared to the West
It really isn't.
It's the lack of social services and democracy that keep America bound down.
aight then, enjoy paying 500% extra for your medicine lol
I shall pay... nothing! because hospitals should be free for the sick.
hey let's hope you don't get into an accident, else you'll be paying tens of thousands.
oh so you are fine with paying money for medicine "just in case" -- You just don't want to pay for the health of your fellow countrymen.
but you're totally fine with your taxes going to the military? and mega-corporations, lol, classic america
That's why I asked it as a question :v
Oh, I switched from pro-communist arguments a while back, now I'm subtly mocking you because you have no fucking clue what your own position entails.
You, without any knowledge of history, economics, or anything actually relevant, have picked the side of the bootlickers, hoping that one day you too can cast people out into the streets to starve because it's more profitable to outsource their jobs to some third world village where you can pay rates that are almost, but not quite starvation wages.
See, there you go with your complete lack of historical knowledge.
I already gave you two great examples of the classless, stateless societies that brave men and women built before outside forces attacked and murdered them all.
You didn't believe they existed at all because you have never opened an actual history book that doesn't have an eagle on the cover.
You also don't seem to know that famines and starvation (Currently about 9 million deaths per year) are part and parcel of capitalism, because after all, if starving in the street wasn't a threat, no one would slave away their lives to make money. This is especially true in the global south. Places where people lived in communities for thousands of years with only the occasional famine, now live in constant fear of starvation, all while they grow more food than ever, but have to ship that food to rich countries that throw half of it away. All because someone came in and forced them to pretend that money is real.
Hell, if you want examples of communities coming together and saying that money is fake, just look at people on the ground during any sort of natural disaster. There are thousands of examples of human kindness triumphing over the petty greed of jackasses like yourself, because that's what capitalism is at its core, greed made manifest.
At the core of it all, communism is about communities coming together and sharing without reservation, and capitalism is the individual taking all for themselves, using force if they have to.
Yes, we've learned that defense from Nazis and reactionary agitators is key to the success of any left-wing movement. That's why the Socialist Gun Club and John Brown Gun Society are gaining members.
It's sad that we have to protect ourselves, but as the poem goes;
Because that's how it always goes. The favorite targets of the right wing reactionary; communists, LGBT+, the marginalized, and anyone else who doesn't quite fit into their capitalist hierarchies.
The capitalist must use violence to enforce those hierarchies, or else people will ignore them, because money is just something we all made up. It's not real.
Actual wealth is much deeper than money, it's time, it's effort, it's people's lives, and people don't want to slave away to make some other asshole richer, they want to live together in open communities where they can just live for themselves and raise a family.
Capitalists robbed us all of this, and communism is the push to get it back.
And again you show that you have no fucking clue what capitalism is.
We covered this already, here let me just quote myself from yesterday;
Now, another commenter pointed out that the system in place in the lead up to the formation of the Dutch East Indies Company was actually mercantilism. Which was sort of a State run proto-capitalism.
It's kind of a gray area.
Which is why you still have no clue what anything you advocate for actually means.
You're just parroting words you heard from some right-wing dipshit somewhere.
They won't ever tell you what any of the words actually mean, just their own twisted interpretations thereof. They say communism is bad, and then point to an authoritarian dictatorship led by a man who was so insecure in his power that he forced all of his top generals to binge-drink with him every single night for the last 15 years of his life. And after everyone was drunk and smeared with tomato (a bit of drunken humor that Stalin loved) then they would watch American movies that he had smuggled into the country.
It's just sad that if people like you finally opened a book or used a web browser to look at anything other than more stupid right-wing bullshit, you'd be horrified at what you've been supporting.
I've brought up the Nazis a lot in these comments, because they too rose to power in the same sort of environment that spawned the Bolsheviks.
And it's the environment that created people like Nestor Makhno. The dude was based as fuck. He invented the Tachanka, a machine gun in the back of a cart, these days it's referred to as a technical and is usually a machine gun mounted to the back of a Nissan pickup.
See, these are the sorts of little tidbits of fun history that you should be learning. Instead, you seem to just be spoon-fed more right-wing talking points.