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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another price fixing scandal in the works? Lol

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is how it works for many, many businesses. Before you agree to a lease for a coffee shop you make sure that no one else is going to be able to open a coffee shop in the same area. This is how commercial leases work.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm confused. Are capitalists for a free market, or against it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Publicly it is their religion, in private business deals they make sure the rules are set for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Generally against. Regulated markets are much, much easier to build moats in.

Although the above is illustrative of a free market: Individuals deciding for themselves what they want to agree to.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, this is how it works for large wealthy powerful people who can afford to pay off all the real estate agents to act in their favor, or lobby for zoning changes immediately after opening their business and demand grandfathering status, or even just buy all the surrounding real estate so no one else can.

This is not how it works for a mom and pop shop. They have no power to make such demands.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Real estate agents? Zoning changes? Grandfather status? What?

Like the article states, Sobeys can demand this because they are the landlord. When mom and pop are the landlord, they can absolutely put the same terms in their lease agreement if they had some reason to. Dollarama will agree to it every time if the property is sufficiently desirable.

Indeed, Sobeys properties are quite desirable, as a rule, as Dollarama sees more sales when located alongside a grocery store rather than being out in the middle of nowhere. "One stop shopping" is a customer draw. And so they are willing to accept the terms in many cases.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So they've used the last option I suggested: buy up surrounding real estate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well, yeah. They are a real estate investment company. That's what real estate investment companies do.

For better or worse, that's the entire food system in a nutshell. Farmers operate on the same model, using the cashflow from the farm to pay creditors and counting on the land investment to be their actual payback. Even McDonalds is well documented to actually be a real estate company. The food is just a means to an end. Much like how the average Joe trying to get rich buying and selling houses will take a day job to pay the mortgage.

They have done a little better this year, to be fair, (although they need to with higher interest rates!) but Sobeys' would be a pretty shitty business if it were only a grocery store. Its owners could do so much better doing something else with that investment. But, in reality, the grocery store doesn't need to be a good business. It just needs to further their actual goals.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you agree with me then that this is not a tactic that most businesses use, as the person I originally replied to had stated.

You agree with me that these are tactics only available to large rich powerful corporations?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why wouldn't I agree you? Of course I agree with you. It costs me nothing and it makes you feel good, so there is no reason not to. I agree with everyone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

So if you agreed with me, why were you arguing with me?