My primary argument is that they post hateful content and covid conspiracies and it is irresponsible to platform this by including it in our federation. Secondly we already got rid of lemmygrad. Thirdly, there's little to be lost in the defederation given the type of stuff being posted over there. Do as thou wilt
Aye and nays pls
Edit: putting the screencaps I posted below here for clarity
I should probably put a content warning so
CW: homophobia, transphobia, and just being a shithead.
Edit 2: let's try not to downvote people just saying nay. Unless they are making bad faith arguments we should respect their opinions even if we disagree.
Edit 3: Imma be real with y'all, this has been a real shitshow. We gotta work out some kinda single voting infrastructure because the ayes and Nays isn't efficient at all.
As far as I know the whole concept of agora was just announced yesterday, and now we are saying that entire instances can be defederated based on a vote ( with no rules defined for when the vote ends or how votes are tallied ).
This is ridiculous and dangerous. This is poorly thought out. Above all, this is a terrible precedent. That any motivated group of users can go to an instance, clip some pics of bad behavior, create a thread and then spam it with 'aye' votes and close the vote whenever they please, and that result in the cutting off of an entire instance? Not even a freaking poll?
Please consider withdrawing this until the rules of agora voting are clearer.
I see 10 pics, which feature heavily the same 4-5 people.
Now let me ask you, do you think I can't find similar evidence on most of these instances if I go looking? Especially if I find 2 or 3 toxic users to follow around for 5 or more days?
The question is not, are there some assholes there, the question is whether the admin/moderators there are operating a right wing extremist troll farm. So for example, is bigotry taken down promptly (or at all) when it's reported? Or is it left up?
I think in this case it's quite easy to say chuck 'em. But there is absolutely a need to discuss standards and a repeatable process for defederation generally, because this certainly won't be the last time it comes up, either way. I started a discussion thread here
undefined> So for example, is bigotry taken down promptly (or at all) when it’s reported? Or is it left up?
Has that evidence been shown here? Also, can we say that admins are maliciously leaving stuff up at this point when the reddit migration is actively taking place, and everyone is overwhelmed?
For now the question seems to be simply 'are there some assholes there?' because thats all this evidence shows.
While Im on it, pictures are especially bad evidence IN GENERAL. They are easy to edit, easy to strip context, and difficult to check. I understand why we wouldn't want to link directly to objectionable content but if we are talking about defederation (which is the NUKE button) there needs to be better evidence than 10 pictures of 4-5 users for ME.
I think they are low hanging fruit that would represent no GREAT loss if chucked, but I also think this is a good chance for everyone here to think deeper about the process for this.
See first post in previous thread on the main community: https://sh.itjust.works/post/151703
Not an ideal response to a report, to say the least.
I agree! Kicking these questions to the newly formed "Agora" without defining a process (which was done after there was already substantial discussion on exploding heads which surfaced more than enough material for admin to make a decision IMO) invites this kind of "well shit, let's vote then" thread.
But if the instance is going to be healthy going forward, standards and a process are a must.