[-] kukkurovaca 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Staying in federation with an instance that actively embraces bad actors increases the visibility of users here to those bad actors, and gives them access to our community. Defederating such an instance is a basic best practice in the Fediverse.

More importantly for those who wring their hands about not limiting the whole community -- failure to defederate from bad actor instances will be factored in when good productive instances with content folks here want to see decide whether to defederate us. (Remember that this place is already defederated by one prominent instance, which is a material detriment to users here.)

It is reasonable and normal to disagree about where the line is drawn in terms of what instances deserve defederation. It's often ambiguous what's a normal instance with sloppy moderation and a few bad apples[^1] versus what's a place that is run by and for bad actors.

There's a wide range of standards that can be applied. It seems like the general vibe can be broken down into three groups:

  • Only defederate spammers and child porn
  • Only defederate spammers child porn and tankies
  • Defederate spammers child porn, tankies, and rampantly fascist troll farms

I don't think anyone has really advocated for anything aggressive than that on here (could be wrong)

[^1]: Although also important to remember that the point of the bad apples thing is that they spoil the whole batch if you don't take them out.

[-] kukkurovaca 11 points 1 year ago

Defederation is a normal part of life in the fediverse, and this instance already defederates from the start. Healthy fediverse instances have clear standards for what instances they do and don't federate with.

Normally those are defined by admin; in this case admin has now stated a desire for the community to make rules decisions. So, reasonable and normal to discuss. And reasonable and normal for folks to have disagreements about.

This instance is already paying the price for lax moderation in having been defederated by beehaw, which regardless of how much you or I personally care about the content on beehaw does notably impact the user experience for many folks. And the more this site "stops worrying about nazis" the more that will happen. (And the more users will get fed fed up and migrate to instances with clearer moderation practices.)

Not referring to you or anyone in particular, but it feels like a lot of the folks in this conversation had never heard of defederation before a couple weeks ago and are acting like it and the fediverse generally are a brand new idea. Defederation for Lemmy in many ways has higher stakes than it does for Mastodon due to being structured around communities and not just individual user -- but that's all the more reason to have clear standards for it.

[-] kukkurovaca 13 points 1 year ago

The call is coming from inside the house on this one

[-] kukkurovaca 27 points 1 year ago

It’s up to you to come together, discuss, and reach a consensus. If you wish to add, remove, or modify a rule, make a post, garner support from other members, and I’ll implement the change. This invitation extends beyond our immediate community - I welcome input from everyone across the fediverse. Again to be clear, I gave an example of modifying rules but this applies to anything that I have the ability to do on this instance.

@[email protected] what constitutes "consensus"? A majority, a supermajority? 100% buy-in on most important topics is simply not on the table, and setting a bar too high for action is tantamount to predetermining that action will not be taken.

(I have no problem with the tyranny of the admin, either, as long as it's clear what direction the site is headed in so I know whether to stick around or not.)

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by kukkurovaca to c/agora

Didn't want to further derail the exploding heads vote thread, so:

What are the criteria that should be applied when determining whether to defederate from an instance? And should there be a specific process to be followed, and what level of communication if any with the instance admins?

For context it may be useful to look at the history of the Fediblock tag in Mastodon, to see what sorts of stuff folks are dealing with historically in terms of both obvious and unremarkable bad actors (e.g., spam) and conflict over acceptability of types of speech and moderation standards.

(Not saying that folks need to embrace similar standards or practices, but it's useful to know what's been going on all this time, especially for folks who are new to the fediverse.)

For example:

  • Presence of posts that violate this instance's "no bigotry" rule (Does it matter how prolific this type of content is on the target instance?)
  • Instance rules that conflict with this instance's rules directly - if this instance blocks hate speech and the other instance explicitly allows it, for example.
  • Admin non-response or unsatisfactory response to reported posts which violate community rules
    • Not sure if there's a way in lemmy to track incoming/outgoing reports, but it would be useful for the community to have some idea here. NOT saying to expose the content of all reports, just an idea of volume.
  • High volume of bad faith reports from the target instance on users here (e.g., if someone talks about racism here and a hostile instance reports it for "white genocide" or some other bs). This may seem obscure, but it's a real issue on Mastodon.
  • Edited to add: Hosting communities whose stated purpose is to share content bigoted content
  • Coordinating trolling, harassment, etc.

For reference, local rules:

Be respectful. Everyone should feel welcome here.

No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.

No Ads / Spamming.

No pornography.

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1733 Cordura Konbu bags going up Friday (www.seventeenthirtythree.com)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

These look lovely but the description makes it sound like felted cordura, which I find really funny some reason.

We made up some of our favorite bag styles in an exciting new fabric. Cordura Konbu is a special variant of 500D nylon that is heat treated to create a dense, stiff material with a unqiue texture and hand. We even got to specify our own custom color, this rich Botanic Green, with the mill in Japan.

Bags are available to view now and inventory will be updated to IN STOCK this Friday, 6/23 at 11am Chicago Time.

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/201616

One of my fav local roasters. They were hosting a pop-up by Tacos Sincero serving "Cumin Fermented Plum Congee, sous vide egg, pickled tindora, carrot, cherry chili jam, scallion, sesame, lemongrass chili salsa" (which was delicious)

Coffee-wise had a pourover of a natural Kenyan coffee which was interesting, as Mother Tongue mostly does washed coffees. And a very good iced latte.

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

One of my fav local roasters. They were hosting a pop-up by Tacos Sincero serving "Cumin Fermented Plum Congee, sous vide egg, pickled tindora, carrot, cherry chili jam, scallion, sesame, lemongrass chili salsa" (which was delicious)

Coffee-wise had a pourover of a natural Kenyan coffee which was interesting, as Mother Tongue mostly does washed coffees. And a very good iced latte.

[-] kukkurovaca 32 points 1 year ago

You have no right to tell me what I can see and respond to anymore than I have a right to tell you who you can and cannot block.

That's also not what defederating is. Nobody's speech or ability to see speech is being restricted, since we are all free to set up accounts on other instances. Users are making a reasonable request to the instance owner for a normal moderation action that is in line with stated community standards and past defederation decisions (i.e., lemmygrad); the instance owner is free to honor it or not.

The basic question, which every fediverse instance has been having to deal with since inception, is how to draw the line on communities that willingly include bad actors. It has to be drawn somewhere, and where you draw it says a lot.

[-] kukkurovaca 38 points 1 year ago

lol, defederating is not anything like jail

  • Federating is like sitting at a big table with a bunch of people in a restaurant.
  • Blocking is moving a couple seats down from someone who's being an asshole so you can't hear them anymore (but meanwhile they're still harassing your friends, you're just ignoring it)
  • Defederating is separating the group so that you're no longer at the table with the asshole and their asshole friends

Now, in a tolerant society, we should be tolerant of people who are merely annoying. But not people who are normalizing violence and hate. There are people you fundamentally should not sit at a table with.

It's important to understand the difference between a good faith disagreement and bad faith propaganda and harassment campaigns, which is what the right wing troll farms deal in.

[-] kukkurovaca 109 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nazi instances will proliferate and it benefits nobody else to stay in federation with them. It makes the whole fediverse less usable and more dangerous. And whether you like it or not it sends a message to people who are targeted by them that they are not truly welcome here, regardless of whatever moderation rules are espoused.

And in North America, as in many places, these people are acting as a propaganda arm for a literal violent terror movement. Sometimes under a fig leaf of ”irony” but it makes no material difference whether they’re chuckling when they spew shit to me

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

Also touches on a bunch of other stuff like why to grind coarser and the mechanics of percolation vs. immersion.

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Randi Jo Portage Pack (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

First!, I guess.

Just got this bag that I ordered a few weeks ago from a favorite small mfgr. Randi Jo mainly makes cycling caps -- the absolute best cycling caps, IMO, but also some small bike bags, and now a waistpack/sling.

Construction on this is excellent, very beefy and also classy, with some neat design elements like the center gusset on the front pocket to give it some expandability. It has some padding in the bottom to give it structure and to make it camera-friendly. There are no dividers, though.

Default fit is for skinny folks (as is true of so many bike brands), but you can request a different size.

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

San Jose is a bit out of my way, but it's cool to hear about local nerdy coffee stuff

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/164693

Does anyone have a good suggestion for a manual coffee grinder? I have heard folks discuss the Peugeot grinders, but I want to see about alternatives.

[-] kukkurovaca 9 points 1 year ago

Most manual coffee grinders should have quite long lifespans in home use. You have to grind a lot of coffee (or, I guess, one rock) to wear out burrs.

1zpresso currently has probably the best rep at the moment among enthusiasts, but Kinu, Comandante are also well-regarded. All of those brands have some ability to get parts replacements if needed down the line, but which specific parts are available may vary.

A major differentiating factor is whether you need to be able to grind for espresso. Some grinders are optimized for espresso, some for pourover, and some are intended to both. Espresso requires more minute adjustments and the ability to grind finer. Traditional espresso benefits from a higher proportion of fines, contributing to the body of the shot, while pourover, especially more modern/third wave style, may benefit from less fines and higher clarity.

Some popular grinders:

  • All purpose: 1zpresso K series, Comandante (may need "red clix" upgrade for dialing in espresso)
  • Filter only, high clarity: 1zpresso ZP6 (currently back in stock at Rogue Wave in Canada, not sure for how long)
  • Espresso: 1zpresso J-Max, Kinu

The Orphan Espresso Lido OG also seems like a good choice for a BIFL all-rounder do to its robust build, BUT it seems like there's an issue with some of the parts in their adjustment mechanism on the current iteration that they're working on addressing.

A couple of comprehensive roundup videos:

https://youtu.be/JySL64iigT4

https://youtu.be/MV6awoNQXHU

Note: this is just me synthesizing reviews basically, I'm not a grinder expert. (But I have a ZP6 and a J-Max and could answer questions about those.)

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

Curious as I've yet to pick up a flat bottom brewer. The Orea seems nice and it's good to support smaller makers, but the filter negotiation process seems a little over the top.

[-] kukkurovaca 16 points 1 year ago

If all the new trolls are coming from two instances, and defederating those two instances will keep the load manageable for them, why wouldn't they?

This kind of decision is a big problem for scaling up Lemmy as a reddit replacement and welcoming huge volumes of new users, but I don't think that's Beehaw's goal and certainly not their responsibility.

The tricky bit is figuring out how to set up fediverse-wide communities in places that most (non-troll) users won't be cut off from them.

[-] kukkurovaca 77 points 1 year ago

This is surfacing a fundamental division between mindsets in federation: the people who say don't worry about which instance you're on are bought into the promise that federation can "just work" like email. But the reality is that if you care about moderation at all (like, even to the extent of being for or against having any of it) then sooner or later you're going to have to make harder decisions about instances.

It's pretty normal for long-term fediverse users to change instances several times over the course of however long this stuff has been around. It's unclear to me whether any existing Lemmy instances would be a good fit for me in the long term TBH and I would expect that to be true for some time, as so many instances are still figuring things out internally.

Defederation decisions like beehaw made are extremely normal and rational. With their level of moderation staffing and for their user base, they determined it was unsustainable to remain federated with instances that were generating more moderation workload. If it wasn't them today it would be another instance tomorrow; this will keep happening.

Also, I see a lot of folks saying this is lazy for beehaw, but it's important to understand that from their perspective, this problem wouldn't arise if moderators here were keeping a cleaner house and preventing bad actors from using the platform. (Not saying either take is entirely correct.)

In a sense, moderation best practices on the fediverse are inimically hostile to scaling the fediverse up to new users. (And if you ask folks with smaller but prosperous instances that have healthy internal vibes, they'll probably tell you this is good.)

This is much more fraught on Lemmy than it is on Mastodon, because you're building communities hosted on a particular instance and there's not currently a way to move the community. So, if I were to start a community here and then finally decide a year from now that this place is too big a defederation target to stay on, what do I do?

Similarly, to avoid endless duplication of communities, folks have been encouraged to participate with existing communities instead of starting a new one on their own instance everytime. But anyone here who has gotten involved with communities on Beehaw will now no longer be able to do so unless they move to a different instance. (Which may be hard, as open instances that are easy to join are the ones that are harder for small instances to handle, which is what caused this in the first place.)

Some of those folks are going to create their own alternative communities on their servers, which to any third-party servers not in the loop on the defederation drama will be potentially confusing. This has the potential to create a cultural tend toward polarization of community norms between everything goes and what we see on Mastodon as content warning policing, but of which are, to me, undesirable.

The best case scenario is that the majority of large communities end up being hosted on instances that have sufficiently rigorous moderation standards and sufficiently robust moderation staff to not impose an unsustainable workload on smaller instances. Then as long as everyone who's not a nazi federates with those instances, things should go smoothly...ish. But that's hard both because "sufficiently rigorous" is different for everyone and because moderation labor doesn't grow on trees.

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Rogue Wave restocked the ZP6 (www.roguewavecoffee.ca)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

In case anyone has been looking for a high-clarity hand grinder for pourover, especially folks in Canada and the US.

Additional datum: a fair number of people who bought grinders in the second run reported that the grinders are very slow, which was not the case with the first run, and doesn't seem to be true of all the new ones either. However, folks mostly still seem to like the grind quality. It's unclear to me what could change the speed of the grinder only, other than possibly machining oils inside the grinder or mechanical changes to the burr assembly or other internals, which nobody has reported.

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/[email protected]

Now I think the world needs James Hoffmann announcer voice packs for fighting games

[-] kukkurovaca 10 points 1 year ago

I'm referring to literal nazis, it's not a figure of speech.

[-] kukkurovaca 28 points 1 year ago

I'm not a tankie and have no love for the government of China (or any government) but there is an extent to which criticism of China is deployed by xenophobes and nazis as a kind of socially acceptable rallying call or dog whistle. So, I'm all for criticizing China, but remember the allegory of the crustpunk bar

https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280892535024619522

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submitted 1 year ago by kukkurovaca to c/bayarea

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