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Here is the thread of theirs

I have been looking through a long thread on another instance where a few users have been trying to convince that instance to defederate from Exploding Heads - because they do not want to see the content posted on Exploding Heads.

I have thought long and hard about how to please these people. They do have the option to individually block Exploding Heads communities or users, but they either do not know how to or simply do not want to.

In the end I realized if I ban those specific users requesting defederation from Exploding Heads - they will not see any content from Exploding Heads and therefore will not be offended by it. (Truth be told I am not sure if some of these users have really visited our site or interacted with our users).

So today I have banned those users with the explanation that they have said they do not want to see Exploding Heads content. If any of those users wish to be unbanned in the future, all they have to do is say so and I will happily unban them.

These users are not being banned in order to censor them, but to help them achieve what they have been requesting - to not see Exploding Heads content.

I hope you all find this a fair and reasonable action - if not let me know.

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[–] darkwing_duck -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

having them in an echo chamber reduces their numbers in the long run because they have less space to post their ideas and to convince others to adhere to them

So you literally just want to control the narrative presented to naive viewers? I thought this was universally agreed upon to be bad joojoo.

Just let people select what they want to see themselves, out of the entirety of fediverse.

Let’s not pretend what we can see in the screenshots in the other thread is “reasonable opposition”.

Of course you'll get that if you select the worst of the worst. Surely you could find innocuous conversation there as well.

those who subscribe to conspiracy theories

I mean, way too many non-cooky "conspiracy theories" end up being the actual truth. Some select cases in point: mass NSA spying (thanks Snowden), operation northwoods (thanks JFK), tuskegee syphilis experiments.

Questioning authority and the narrative authority supports should be commonplace.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People are still free to subscribe to that instance if that's what they want to see, taking a neutral stance towards it is still encouraging it.

If you think you're better than actual scientists and experts to bring arguments to convince them then by all means, create an account over there and talk them out of their delusions. We're not a support group, we have no obligations to entertain people that want to live in a parallel reality.

[–] darkwing_duck 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they get defederated I lose the option to subscribe to them.

I want to have 1 fediverse account, not 10s of them.

[–] Kecessa 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can have one account over there then or on any other instances that is federated with them, I'm sure there are plenty of instances that are federated with everyone.

[–] darkwing_duck 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I started on this instance because the admin stance was to my liking. Unfortunately, he decided to let the mob rule. I need to start looking at VPS providers to run my own instance.

[–] Kecessa 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So their decision to unilaterally defederate from an instance was to your liking but now that it's up to debate you're not satisfied anymore?

How ironic.

[–] darkwing_duck 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, I was against defederating tankies as well. In hindsight that was the warning.

If the blocklist stayed that way, so would I.

[–] Kecessa 0 points 1 year ago

You "were against it"... But there was no discussions about it anywhere as it was done at the same time the instance was created... a week before you joined?

[–] Kecessa 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Holy fuck that's fucking golden!

From your post history!

So, are you going to admit that you didn't mind seeing the tankies go because you're right leaning and it's also why you fight against defederating EH?

Seeing as you're moderating subs for crypto and guns, everything is so freaking clear now!

Oh the hypocrisy!

[–] darkwing_duck 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that I should've turned around as soon as I saw lemmygrad defederated. My bias told me "eh that's not that terrible".

But it is.

[–] Kecessa 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, it's not that terrible because it's the group you disagree with but we can't go and ban your buddies at the other end of the spectrum can we? 😂

Alright, I'm done with you, I pointed out your hypocrisy, you can't argue in good faith and as I mentioned before, only those who argue in good faith deserve to be heard!

[–] darkwing_duck 1 points 1 year ago

Not just disagree with, they are just so irrelevant their absense is not missed.

As you noted, that ban was also done with zero discussion. As a free speech believer, I would advocate for them just the same.

What I wrote in that thread, and what you took as hypocrisy (because that's what you are looking for), is still true. Siloing is inevitable because of how idiotic human culture works, but that doesn't mean I should stay silent about it when it's brought up for discussion/vote.

Of course I am aware my efforts are in vain, duh.