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4-Year-Old Fatally Shot By Woman Who Was Teaching Her 'Firearm Safety,' Authorities Say
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Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner.
Can't argue, she is responsible for this.
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Kind of like every dog owner. Except that most dogs have redeeming value.
You didn't even read the article, taking a gun and putting it to a child's chest and pulling the trigger is not practicing gun safety, this child was deliberately killed.
She took out the magazine, so it's quite arguable that she's just a fucking idiot and did not intent to kill the child. That being the case would make this a "responsible gun owner" discussion.
Also possible she is lying to try to pretend she made a mistake.
Witnesses stated she removed the mag.
She didn't rack the chamber. You can argue that she intentionally made it look like an accident.
You can also argue that it genuinely was an accident (albeit one that very much could have been anticipated and prevented).
It wasn't an accident because she intentionally put a gun against a child's chest. That isn't an accident.
Yes I did. It did not change my opinion. Every gun owner thinks they're a responsible gun owner. Too few are right.
She pulled out a firearm and pointed it at child's chest. If you take a firearm, and point it at someone, it is ALWAYS with malicious intent, loaded or not.
People can downvote me all they want but I don't give a shit, this is the truth, this is why she is getting charged with first degree murder ffs. This was not an accident.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to continue believing that you are a responsible gun owner.
I keep my firearms locked in a safe. I have no children in my household. The firearms stay clean and they only come out when I go to practice or in a life or death situation. The firearm travels totally unloaded with the slide removed in a hard case. It is assembled and disassembled on site, and I clean it when I come home, which is done about once a month, if a little less.
If that's not responsible gun ownership, then you can't have responsible car ownership either. Simply looking in any direction besides right in front of you can kill someone! That includes checking the mirrors, but wait, shouldn't you sometimes check the mirrors to make sure you aren't in a dangerous position as well?
Almost seems like something we use every day is more dangerous than an unloaded, disassembled firearm. But I don't handle my firearms responsibly, nope.
What was even your point in that statement? Did you even think before you wrote that? You totally missed the point of the article because you got starry eyes from the headline.
Every gun owner, regardless of how responsible or irresponsible they are, thinks they're a responsible gun owner.
Some are right. Too many are wrong.
You can continue to ignore this and go on for paragraph after angry paragraph about why you think you're one of the responsible ones. It doesn't matter. Soon there will be another victim of the malice or negligence of someone who thought they were a Responsible Gun Owner.
Every car owner thinks they're a responsible car owner as well. As you are no doubt aware, many of them are also wrong. Not sure how you thought your analogy negated my statement.
What policies do you imagine I'm advocating for here?
Your tone is implying that you think I am somehow an irresponsible gun owner, but that doesn't matter because the argument is not about me to begin with. Let's not get sidetracked here.
Also angry? If I were angry I wouldn't waste my time continuing this debate. If you are going into this debate with anger and a closed mind then not only are you wasting your own time, you are wasting my time too and I do not appreciate that.
My analogy negates your statement because nobody is rallying for the ban of cars, only guns. This is because cars at the moment are a necessity for medium distance travel because public transportation is ass and no business wants people to work from home. We also do not grow our own food and as such, have to drive in order to buy a week or two of groceries.
Conversely, guns are a necessity in a country where they are within every nook and cranny, they weave in and out between the cracks. Just like how every country has a nuclear stockpile and an army as a deterrent to others invading and waging war on them, you need firearms in a place that is full of people who use them maliciously. Not everyone needs a firearm, but all it takes is to have ONE PERSON with a concealed firearm in a public place to stop a threat.
I have no problem with licensing firearms whatsoever, and as a matter of fact, many places require you to register for conceal carry which is how you should carry a firearm in public to begin with. Would I rather this not have to be the solution? In a perfect world, yes, but in a perfect world we wouldn't need self defense either.
Again, removing the gun in this situation would have stopped nothing. This wasn't a public shooting, this woman had intent to kill in close proximity. Restricting all firearms based on this alone would be extremely naive, and it is not the solution to this problem. There was nothing indicating she wanted to kill people, it is all on this one singular child.
CPS needs better screening, kids in temporary custody get abused fairly often. If the government felt the need to remove this child from her parents, she should have went to a better home. This woman is to blame, but the government is as well. Their job was to protect and they ultimately failed. You can restrict firearms all you want, but if kids keep going to houses like this, they are going to continue to get hurt and damaged for life. That's the point of this argument and article, not fucking guns like everyone likes to point the finger at.
I didn't start out thinking it, but now I'm certain.
Cut the shit dude.
Responsible gun owners don't get all defensive when people point out that irresponsible gun owners think they're responsible.
If that bothers you, I'm glad you don't know where I live.
Where did I get defensive?
You are once again branching off into another discussion. You're doing this because you know your logic falls to mine and you have no leg to stand on.
Also, that is the dumbest fucking logic I've ever heard, "oh, if you were actually something that you said you were, you wouldn't defend yourself". I can see why you demonize firearms now. Defending yourself is apparently a bad thing now I guess, since you know, armed robbery is a common thing where I live and I've had two break-ins in the past.
But nope, MY life doesn't matter, the criminal in front of me at 2 in the morning, trying to rob me of my shit, AND my life if I try to do anything about it besides shoot his ass in a non-lethal manner, HIS is the one that matters.
Are you this blissfully unaware that a gunshot doesn't have to be fatal? It can be, but that's the risk you take when you break into someone's home threatening violence. That guy is still alive today by the way, I shot him in the knee, chest, and arm, and called the cops. He was a convicted felon, he had a remington 870, and if you don't know, that is a fucking scary ass gun that will blow a hole in your chest the size of a watermelon. If you would rather comply with someone who you have no idea the intentions of, holding one of these, then you have never been in one of these situations because you would feel very differently.
He's in prison now, but without that firearm, I could have been killed, my lady friend at the time could have been raped, kidnapped, killed.
Live in the real world FFS, the world is not some make believe place where nobody is bad unless they have a gun in their hand. Bad people actively seek out weapons to do evil and they don't give a shit if it is obtained illegally or not, often times they don't legally have the right to own one themselves. You realize most gangsters are felons themselves right?
Holy shit dude, you are retarded buddy. I'm not continuing this conversation with you. If you don't want me to shoot you, then do not break into my house and threaten my life with a firearm in hand. I'd think that would be pretty easy to do, no?
Thank fucking god. You gun worshiping school shooter advocates are ALL alike. No one can say anything at all negative about literally any gun owner, ever, without days and days of macho bullshit. Keep protecting the availability of guns for people like the guy who tried to rob you (if he's real). The advocacy of Responsible Gun Owners exactly like you made sure he had easy access to the gun he tried to rob you with. And I absolutely guarantee he considered himself to be a responsible gun owner, just like you do.
Remember, you're not continuing this conversation.
Gun worshipping? Lol, I literally have just two firearms, a pistol for carry and a pistol for home defense. How is that in any way gun worshipping? Don't even get me started on private gun collectors who hoard fully automatic firearms en masse. Somehow I'm on the same level as those people because I say you should have a firearm for self defense. Do you honestly think I want everyone to have firearms? Hell no, but I, as a level headed adult, realize that the world isn't sunshine and rainbows and that there are legitimately fucked up people out there, and here you are crying like an actual fucking child. I don't care if you think I am a responsible gun owner or not, I can definitely tell that YOU don't need a firearm though because you would have no idea what to do in a given situation like that, you would definitely be more of a harm to innocents or yourself in that situation, and that's okay! Just don't take it out of people who have saved their own LIFE WITH A FIREARM.
Four words: 3d printed lower receiver
Motherfucker are you on drugs? Did you even read what you wrote before you sent that? I have no problem with people using mind altering substances, but if you are on them then please tell me so I can stop arguing with you. It is a waste of my time and a waste of your trip.
Tell me you don't pay taxes without telling me you don't pay taxes. I bet you are still a teenager, there is no way in hell there is a functioning adult with the logic you just shat out from the anus you call your mouth.
Remember, I'm not continuing the conversation, the above is not related to the previous conversation. Everything I just stated is new material that you just brought up. Firearms are going nowhere, get used to it, you can thank the spineless democratic party for that. Great ideas but no bite whatsoever. Almost like people should vote for a third fucking party but "mUh VoTe GeT tHrOw AwAy!!!"
Cope and seethe buddy, hope you never wind up in that situation. I used to think the same thing until I got robbed the first time and had a gun shoved in my face while I watched all my shit get stolen in front of my face. Called the cops, they did nothing.
Good puppet.
Still not continuing the conversation, I see.
Where am I continuing the conversation? This is not the conversation we were previously having.
This is an entirely new conversation where you make a fool out of yourself, and I point and laugh at you.
The previous conversation was about me making totally valid points and you shitting on them with unrealistic idealism. If you lived in the real world, you would understand that the only place where idealism works is charity and your vote in regards to US politics. The fact you have it twisted is absolutely absurd to the point where I refuse to coversate with you on such topic.
Right here.
The current conversation you can't let go of started when I deeply offended you by saying that every gun owner thinks they're responsible. Every school shooter, every negligent "I didn't know it was loaded" tragedy, every last suicide, without a single fucking exception, thought at the time that they were a responsible gun owner. But since your personal identity as a Responsible Gun Owner requires that to be a title you can convey upon yourself, you can't admit that anyone who claims it can be mistaken. Because what if you're one of the mistaken ones?
Now have the last word. Unlike you, I can end a conversation without pretending to start a new one.
Maybe you're a responsible gun owner, but somebody isn't.
You're right, someone isn't a responsible gun owner.
Someone isn't a responsible car driver.
Someone isn't responsible with alcohol.
Someone isn't responsible with the internet, spreading misinformation online.
What do you suppose we do with these people? Do you need a license to drink? A license to free speech? Maybe we should just mercy kill anyone who isn't a 100% responsible human being since we can't allow them to have anything due to the fact that pretty much anything you can do can potentially impede on other people's freedoms if done in excess or unresponsibly.
Yes, people make mistakes. This wasn't a mistake and it has nothing to do with an irresponsible gun owner. Irresponsible gun owners leave firearms where anyone can get them, they flag people down by accident because they don't know proper gun etiquette.
It doesn't take room temperature IQ to understand you shouldn't press a firearm against anyone's chest under any circumstances other than with intent to take one's life.