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More than 20 Ohio counties rejected Issue 1 on Tuesday and most of them were suburban and exurban counties that voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (4 children)

For years abortion has been thought of as a bitterly partisan issue, but the Ohio vote is the latest example of how the issue seems to defy the partisan 50/50, red/blue lens that defines most everything in American politics in 2023. In state after state, initiative after initiative, voters seem to be coming down on the side of abortion rights — and the data suggest one big driver of those outcomes might be suburban Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now if only they'd stop voting for people against their own interests because of scare tactics, peer pressure, and single issue voting.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

But that single issue was abortion for many of them. Damn, they are mindless.

Conservatives are highly motivated to harm others. It's only when they accidentally harm themselves that they relent just long enough to make a correction. When they figure out how to allow abortions only for conservatives, these voters will resume their harmful positions on the topic.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

I don't think anyone's seriously considered abortion a 50:50 issue in a long time. As far as I remember, it's always been an extremist faction within the GOP, but a faction large and energized enough to dominate party politics. And it's been 'safe' enough for mainstream GOP to play along with, because it was settled law protected by SCOTUS. Now that protection is gone, GOP politicians are going to have to decide whether courting those extremists in the primaries is worth the cost in the general.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am predicting the same will occur with guns once today's children age.

These kids are doing active shooter drills as often as a fire drill.

I cannot imagine this will result continued moderation on the gun issue.

I predict revocation of the second amendment to be our next constitutional amendment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's ridiculous. You would need 3/4 of the 50 states to ratify that change. There are way too many pro-2A red states for that to ever happen.

Throwing away your rights is the dumbest thing you could vote for. They don't just give out new rights regularly, it takes a lot of fighting and effort to get rights.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the right not to be shot is a weeee more important than the right to be the shooter.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well I'm glad your opinion on it doesn't matter, because our gun rights are practically set in stone at this point. The gun cases getting appealed to the SC will be fun to watch.

We all have a right not to be shot, and this is protected by the laws against murder and assault. In the USA we also have the right to bear arms, which is a crucial freedom in the long term scope of democracy and in the short term for self defense.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was discussing this earlier. I’m a pro-choice republican. I won’t vote republican until they change their stance on abortion. I’m rarely a single issue voter but this is one issue I won’t back down on. I personally don’t know any republicans who don’t want some compromise on the the issue.

There is a major disconnect between the voters and the politicians on this topic.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So when they said they'd outlaw abortions for the last 50 years, you still voted for them? 🤡

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I’m a pro-choice republican.

Otherwise known as a Democrat. There's no disconnect between voters and politicians. Republican voters want "no abortion" until they get it. Politicians are delivering that.

Republican voters do not really vote based on policies. They vote based on values. You may have said to yourself "This person seems like a decent choice". " I like where they're coming from." None of those are policies.