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I think progressives never thought about this because we banked on immigration and demographic change allowing us to win culturally and electorally but the issue is immigrants tend to be overwhelmingly male, that is how Trump won actually he won over a lot of Hispanic,Black,Asian and indigenous men who feel humiliated by a new culture, economy and world.

So what can we do rhetorically and policy wise to win more young men over ?

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[–] Plebcouncilman 7 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

The first thing is that progressives need to stop being intellectually dishonest. The movement needs to admit that the world view is a technocratic one in which the best course of action given the evidence available is the one that will guide the decisions of the movement, not popular sentiment.

As of right now the progressive agenda looks like a mass of contradictions whose only identity is opposition to MAGA and the right with such intensity that the right has in fact co-opted many of the stances that traditionally belonged on the left, losing the support of the working class.

Seen through a Marxist lens, it is not surprising, the progressive movement in the US is not a worker’s movement but rather a managerial class movement.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

its just too disorganized, no coherent or concrete motives for progressive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I agree that we need to be more technocratic as I think democracy is kind of running it's course in the world. Maga also has a lot of contradictions to be fair

[–] Plebcouncilman 2 points 18 hours ago

It doesn’t matter what MAGA does or what MAGA is, progressives need to define themselves independently of that. But a popular workers movement it is not. That crown for right or wrong belongs to MAGA.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Seen through a Marxist lens, it is not surprising, the progressive movement in the US is not a worker’s movement but rather a managerial class movement.

And managerial class inherently whores for the regime while pretending to be the "good" guys

[–] Plebcouncilman 1 points 18 hours ago

That’s not the managerial class.

The managerial class are the office employees, very generally “knowledge workers”.