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Democrats' David Hogg problem not over despite DNC's vote to remove him
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I mean, I don't think thats even relevant and I think people that use that as a basis for decision making should be ignored. That level of analysis is basically hand wringing, and I could really give a shit if any one like the presentation. If the critique or analysis is correct, too fucking bad if you don't like the presentation.
Hogg started by saying the right thing. Conservative/ Blue-Dog/ Blue-MAGA Democrats need to be primaried and ejected from the party.
But when pushed, Hogg's actual analysis was completely lacking. He couldn't answer "Which Democrats should be primaried?" or "Who are the good Democrats are?". When he did answer those question, the answers were fucking stupid and he was obviously a bit shook and hadn't thought through what the answer should be.
He should have taken the message to some friendly leftist media outlets and fucking work shopped it so he was more prepared to answer those really obvious question.
Exactly. He pointed to Pelosi as an example of the kind of Democrat he wanted to keep, rather than one of the principal architects of Democratic failure. David Hogg is progressive lipstick on the same old pig.
I think someone being likable is kind of important when they need votes.
I’ll never run because nobody will vote for me because I’m an ugly asshole, regardless of my ideas.
I guess my question is, whether you can say Chuck Schumer needs to be primaried within a party who elected him as minority leader?
There is of course actually better options as well but they too have friends and calling out names with their resources and lack of conviction of other party members it paints a target on you.
Blue conservatives have their own friends and he did not. I'd probably stumble my way through as well trying to find a path forward. I think the problem is there is none while the culture is so against even treating it like a proper job instead of a club.
He wasn't prepared but I think the end result would likely be the same.
they elected him primary leader and then he shat the bed very publicly. Now the party is very publicly breaking with their support for Schumer and using him as a prop for how they've changed. (spoiler alert though, they havent changed).
The problem is that the Party is not really breaking up with him. Individuals are and it's fracturing the leadership as people realize that the leaders aren't leaders but just old hands finally getting their due which is unhealthy when we need effort applied.
They have definitely not changed. Just there is more screaming in horror at their apathy.
Chuck Schumer ABSOLUTELY needs to be primaried, and if Hogg had been able to say that, citing the basically infinite series of failures that Schumer has represented, Hogg would have won this fight.
This is politics; Democrats are literally the least popular they've ever been, and Hogg was willing to speak to that: thats how you make political hay. What Hogg did was the first step in the dance you do to change peoples minds. It was politically savvy to pick up on that and move on it. But he had no follow up. He got a great first punch in, and had no gas for round two. He fumbled on the second step.
Biden's brain was melting live on stage and it was still considered extremely risky to call for him to step aside. Schumer is just bad at his job and failing to meet the moment. There's no way Hogg comes away better both by publicly declaring his enemies list and including one of the most powerful members of the party on it.
By idiots. The people hand wringing the risk were, and are, idiots.
I think you have no conception of what works in terms of politics.
Lol, sure bud. Likewise.
Its self evident dude. People defending Biden staying in the race were fucking idiots. They've been demonstrated to be wrong. Horribly wrong. Handing the country to fascism wrong. The people saying that Biden needed to step down were right.
Listen to the people who got it right. Use their frameworks for evaluating reality.
IF you continue using the same broken/ wrong frame work for thinking these things through, you are just repeating their same idiotic approach.
Being idiots and being wrong doesn't mean you lose fights. If it wasn't risky to attack Biden, despite the blatantly obvious need to get him out, it wouldn't have taken weeks of nobodies trickling out in opposition before anyone of significance took the step.
Hogg being more directly hostile to centers of power in the Democratic party would absolutely not have made him win the fight to keep his position in the power structure. Thinking that's how politics works is just delusional.
Your literal response is why I think you have no conception of what works in terms of politics. Your framework was WRONG. It didn't predict things. The people you rely on for their "popular wisdon": They GOT IT WRONG!!
If you keep just reusing the same mental frameworks when they don't predict future states of the world, NO ONE, should listen to you. If your mind doesn't agree with the evidence, you need to change your mind dude.
You downvote me for agreeing that Schumer needed to be primaried but noting the nuance of the infighting that would happen from it? You even responded so it added to the conversation. Sorry just seems odd use of that.
I think the people would agree and he would win the appearance game but I think the party would close ranks hard on anyone saying anything against Schumer and he would be ousted completely and smeared.
I agree he didn't have a second punch ready I just think no second punch would be big enough yet. Wish it was more of a fight but the DNC operates as unit when it's their own money and appearance on the line.