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[–] [email protected] 209 points 4 days ago (6 children)

By signaling to oncoming traffic and vehicles approaching from the side, a front brake light provides an essential visual cue that a car is slowing down or preparing to stop. When the light is extinguished, it indicates that a stationary vehicle might initiate movement. According to Tomasch, this visual feedback can significantly truncate the reaction time for other road users, leading to shorter stopping distances and consequently diminishing the likelihood of accidents.

Sounds reasonable. Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again.

[–] [email protected] 127 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Here's an idea. How about we zap the drivers after they make a turn if they didn't use a turn signal beforehand? 😀

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Can we do this in the same bill as the popup spikes that take out your tires if you stop across the crosswalk? The guided RPGs replacing red light cams can wait a little longer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cars with lane-keep assist with vibrate the steering wheel and beep at you. It's at least something but I think most people turn it off if it gets annoying

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Anyone complaining about lane keep not letting them change lanes or make turns is telling on themselves

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

There are a couple situations where it's annoying and I turn it off. My truck has the "steer back into lane" style assist, but it's tried to push me off the road before while I was towing a trailer on some narrow 1-lane roads. Some of the corners it's just not possible to get around without touching the center line.

The vast majority of the time it stays on though and is quite helpful.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again

Not sure if I read that correctly, but I don't think this has ever been the case?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago

I mean when a car is coming at me from a cross street, I want to be able to tell if they're turning or just an asshole not using their signal. On some cars, the turn signal is mounted so far to the side that if they're approaching from my right and turning right onto the same street as me, I can't see that turn signal. Sometimes combined with the roundness of the nose exacerbating the problem.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I think what he wants is the front turn signal to wrap around the front, so I can see the left signal from the right quarter.

I'm not aware that this is not the case, but I don't know that I would have noticed if it was not.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Isn't that the case for pretty much everything? Newer cars alternate blinking their headlights and the signal indicator, and even cars w/ the turn signal on the side will have some light bleed through since it's all one assembly. In the majority of cars, I can see their turn signals when they're perpendicular to me. The larger issue is that most people in my area don't bother to use their signals in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Theres a saying in computer stuff that applies nicely here. PEBKAC, problem exists between keyboard and computer...turn signals have to be turned on, no amount of engineering can fix bad driving.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Heads up, it’s actually keyboard and chair, not keyboard and computer

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Dang it, sometimes I just type stuff and dont think about what I typed (the irony of what I was writing out)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I've always heard it as "PICNIC"

Problem In Chair, Not In Computer

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And never forget about the I-D ten T error.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 5 points 4 days ago

ID10T for those who didn't get it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Layer 0 obfuscation error.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

How would you do that so it isn't ugly as hell and isn't prone to misunderstanding?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

How would you do that so it isn’t ugly as hell

same way we do with lights now, design them attractively. It is not always successful and that's on the manufacturers.

and isn’t prone to misunderstanding?

what about it is confusing? green = not coming at you so it's okay to turn left (or whatever).

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

< and > for turns. X for brakes.

Honestly, we should focus on functionality rather than aesthetic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That doesn't answer the question. The question is how you would design it so you can look at the left side of a car, know that it's turning right and isn't prone to misunderstandings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

Up and down arrows? Up is away from you and down is towards you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How would that work? If you look from the side you suddenly don't see anything again, or an arrow point forwards or backwards?

If you look from the front, current turn signals work for that already.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

sliding lights: it depends on the bulb but i imagine it would easy to see move

arrows: i dont know why you think they would point fowards or backwards they would just towards the side youre on or not

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you're looking at the side of the car, you don't see them the same way as from the front. Which this whole discussion is about.

If you can see both turn signals from your point of view, current design works well enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i found a video to help you picture it better (https://youtube.com/shorts/ZD_34DxW_uI)

it really isnt that difficult

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I know how flow lights work. But they still don't help you see better that a car is turning away from you, which is what this discussion is about.

Imagine a crossroad where a car is coming from your right side. You have no way of knowing whether they turn right or go straight, regardless of the way the lights work, because you won't see them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

we can put the lights on the bottom of the mirror so you can see from that angle then

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

And then they'd flash no matter which direction they'd turn?

So basically hazard lights all the time? Not sure if you still don't understand what this discussion is about and how I could make it any more clear.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I've seen newer cars turn the headlight off while the turn indicator is on, so you get a sort of double-blink effect.

I don't see any reason why we can't just have the whole headlight blink yellow as well with the turn indicator. LEDs are everywhere and can handle changing colors really easily, so it's not hard to require that for all new cars.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely, but that doesn't solve the problem that's talked about here (seeing the turn signal from the other side of the vehicle). It might be clearer what the turn signal is, but if you look at the right side of a vehicle, you won't be able to see the left headlight, even when it's massive.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When am I ever looking at the side and needing to see the other side's turn signal? The best I can think of is (using right side driving) a car turning right into my lane of travel as I'm going straight, but I'll be a bit offset to the left and should be able to see the right headlight. If I can't, that means the car is angled to the right, making it obvious that they're turning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because this is what the discussion is about?

Personally I just want front turn signals to be visible from the opposite side again.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 3 days ago

And I'm saying I can see them most of the time, and when I can't, I don't need to because their intention is obvious.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Some of the new Kias have the rear indicators in the bumper. Why are they hiding them?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because the designers and marketers were given priority over the safety engineers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

And anyone that drives cars ever, apparently.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

So it sounds like you're checking to see when the light turns off, to know that the car is going.

Sounds like what we actually need is a green accelerator light on the front of the car.