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Trumper loses their government job, asks for sympathy (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by jballs to c/[email protected]

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I can honestly say I have thoroughly enjoyed my time as a federal worker.

Right now I'm working on my resume. I'm open to work, preferably in finance as I have my accounting degree. If you know of anyone hiring please let me know.

As I have mentioned before, please do not post your political beliefs as I am not interested in debates or opinions. During this time, please remember that government employees are workers at risk of losing their job. It's scary as most of us have dedicated our careers to government and government operations is all that most of us know and now will be forced to look outside for other options and start over. No matter which side everyone is one, no one wants to lose their job so please be mindful of this. Remember that government employees are humans too and it is a very scary time for most of us and our families.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I think once you get past a certain point on fascism, you can no longer adapt to material conditions. you can no longer become not-a-fascist. both because of sunk cost/ego investment/identity, but also because of the way they treat the very concept of facts.

no point in treating them like humans after that. they very much are not. they cannot be healed. they cannot be cured. everything they accuse others of, they are-this only applies to fascists, and things like them. I can call you a chainsaw juggling lizard person, and I will gain no new skills.

edit: yep, just checked. no new skills or scales.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

dehumanizing people is the first step on the road to genocide.

if you could click your fingers and everyone who voted Trump died, regardless of how they now feel about it, would you do it?

[–] faultyproboscus 2 points 2 days ago

I gave this some thought.

Yes, I would do that.

Do you know how many problems that would solve middle and long-term? Yes, there would be short-term disruptions... a lot of short-term disruptions.

A huge chunk of the problem billionaires would be gone- literally all of the billionaires who own the major media outlets in the US would be gone. The Republican party would cease to exist instantly. There would be a precipitous drop in the number of the belligerently stupid and easily manipulated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I did not dehumanize them. they did. I'm pissed about it.

every one? I dunno. I don't value human life very much, so maybe, but im certain a lot of them were just sloppy idiots with zero forethought, I expect not even a majority were to the point they were unrecoverable. every qanon? yes.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I expect not even a majority were to the point they were unrecoverable.

So they're not unrecoverable, but we still shouldn't treat them like humans?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you're being disingenuous, read what I said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I know what you said.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm with you other than the part about not treating them like humans.

Bad take.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

okay, so, what is a person? why does it matter?

and are there things that aren't human, that we should consider treating to at least some degree like people? hypothetical actual-AI, various large mammals, corvids, cephalopods, hypothetical aliens, superorganisms of whatever kind, etc?

if your answer is "because I want it extended to me" fascists will not do that. treating them like people does not forward your goal. disrespecting them might.

if your answer is about some fundamental capacities you respect, my bet is fascists have less of those than the average dog, and extending them any courtesy you would not extend to a dog should not be extended to fascists. not that you should extend them any of the courtesies you would extend to a dog. they are not good boys.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Really? This is where you want to take it? There's plenty of scholarly discussion about dehumanization (particuarly surrounding WW2 and the events leaading up to it)....

Here is something I found after a quick search (I'm sure there are better examples out there. Hannah Arendt is a good place to start):

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/anthem-companion-to-hannah-arendt/explaining-genocide-hannah-arendt-and-the-socialscientific-concept-of-dehumanization/9F5785E91D0742BD3429D7B1933156F1

This, the authors tell us, is an example of dehumanization. The doctors fail to recognize their shared humanity with the prisoner: they fail to empathize with their victim, which leads them to disregard his suffering, which in turn enables them to treat him in ways they would otherwise have deemed morally abhorrent.

The concept of dehumanization has assumed a prominent place in socialscientific thinking on genocide and mass atrocity. It has been called a “master category” in discussions of mass murder (Goldhagen 2009, 319) and “a chief premise in scholarly accounts of the Holocaust” – the “sine qua non” of such “large- scale evil” (see Vetlesen 2005, 93). Many scholars see dehumanization as a necessary precondition for genocide. Sociologists portray the diminishment of the victims’ human status as a “prerequisite to their destruction” (Alvarez 1997, 168).“ Without dehumanization,” historians argue, “the murderers could not have committed their crimes” (Blatman 2011, 424). The president of Genocide Watch has declared dehumanization one of eight universal “stages of genocide” (Stanton 1998) and psychologists confirm that “no mass atrocities in the contemporary world have occurred without some form of dehumanization” (Kressel 2002, 172).

I was going to copy/paste more before realizing I was just copying the entire page. I highly recommend you just read the thing yourself.

Nothing good ever comes from dehumanizing people.

Regarding your argument about other animals... I just... I don't even know what to say. We are talking about humans being viewed as less than human. Has nothing to do with treating animals like people (which is also something we shouldn't do, but for completely unrelated reasons).