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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

"Edit" and "access" also weren't originally verbs. Same with "babysit" and "eavesdrop". Backformation and category changing are common and perfectly natural processes in English.

Edit: This isn't directed at the OP of this comment chain, but I'm always surprised by the crazy amount of ignorant prescriptivism I see all over Lemmy. Like, I expected that shit on Reddit, but I thought we were better than that here, especially since literally the only real reason for prescriptivism is sowing class division and excluding people for not having access to the secret knowledge of "correct" (yuck!) grammar.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago) (2 children)

Nope, I can do this all day. Other fun examples of backformation off the top of my head are: "to burgle" from "burglar" (which the Brits still get mad about (note: this is incorrect, see conversation below)), originally from the Latin agent noun burglator from the verb burgare; and "cherry", backformed from Old French cerise, which was reinterpreted as a plural (even though it wasn't one), and then a new singular form was backformed. The same thing happened to "pea" (though that's a native English word) - you can still see the original "pease" in the old nursery rhyme: "Pease porridge hot, pease porridge cold, pease porridge in a pot nine days old".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We don't get mad about burgle, that's just a normal word. I do remember thinking I'd gone insane the first time I heard someone unironically use the word "burglarize" to mean "burgle" though!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 58 minutes ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago)

Ah, yep, you're absolutely right, it is "burglarize" that gets y'all riled up. That's what I get for going off memory and not checking my sources. I've edited my comment above to point out the error.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was making a joke with a modern example of a noun being verbified, but thank you for your insight.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Oh wow, I'm feeling very whooshed at the moment. Sorry about that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

can't be wooshed if the joke wasn't funny. I'm like you, spontaneously going into long rants on linguistic fun facts. most people ignore me. I enjoyed your brief history on verbification

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I understand language changes over time but sometimes it's stupider than others

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

From your biased, subjective point of view that has nothing to do with the objective facts of language, maybe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Objectively, any words with more than two vocals in succession is dumb and only meant for cheating at Scrabble, objectively

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

verbing a word that isn't commonly verbed? that's the main thing i love in the English langauge, the flexibility to fuck around with it and still be understood by others without having to explain what you're doing

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Now you're Englishing proper m8.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 day ago

Literally didn't understand it

[–] azertyfun 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Using the suffix -er for a two syllable word isn't any correcter than verbing a noun and would probably make quite a few English teachers red in the face.

Both have a linguistic use; the verb "vaguing" is a shortened form of the cumbersome "vague-posting", while "stupider" is a more emphatic and/of colloquial form of "more stupid". Neither can be replaced by their more formal form without changing the meaning of the sentence slightly.

Objectively they are very similar linguistic quirks, the only reason you'd use one but dislike the other is familiarity. Why dismiss it out of hand when you can excitedly marvel at a novel way people can remotely transfer thoughts?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i mean, you understood the meaning of the sentence, right? so the person managed to get their point accross, and saved on length by using that form - that's actually quite linguistically clever!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I got an idea that the person was venting/ranting but couldn't understand the specifics of the term "vauguing". There's so many mistakes in their response that I just assumed it was a typo.

Looks likes it's a word that been around since the 1600s but is pretty much never used anymore.

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/vaguing_adj?tl=true&tab=factsheet

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I could only guess the meaning. Disagree all around