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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] phdepressed 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's mostly information warfare from the various social media. There have already been a few analyses showing that pro-Republican anti-Democrat sentiment was algorithmically pushed on tiktok, Facebook, X(obviously), Instagram, YouTube, etc. I do believe a lot of people even here on lemmy were Russian/Chinese just stoking the flames because a divided america is good for them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think there are significantly more "useful idiots" than actual state actors trying to sow division. Most of them probably had good intentions, they just refused to listen to reason.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's a funny and depressing situation that Lemmy users are so adamant that no one could possibly have a different perspective than them and if they do they must be Russian assets.

Despite those exact positions being reflected in real human American/western political voices--when it shows up in our special little space suddenly it's spoooooky foreign astroturfing. I believe the kids call that behavior "cope." XD

[–] phdepressed 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Oh there's certainly real belief too but the "loudness" is certainly amplified beyond what it would usually be. A lot of those accounts have been entirely silent on the conflict since the election which is suspicious to me.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Can you cite a few of said accounts so I can take a look? For me, I still see a lot of pro-Palestine sentiment. But to me, it makes nothing but sense that after the election people stop talking about... the election, y'know? You'll notice MAGA voices also stopped talking about the election too, haha.

[–] phdepressed 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I got better things to do than go back and find them. Just a trend I noticed. I still see pro Palestinian sentiment (which i agree with) but i don't see the level of blame assignment Biden and Dems got. I see some outrage about like the golden pager but not about rereleasing 2ton bombs. For people who seemed so single-issue its odd.

I mean yeah why would anyone talk about the election anymore unless they've got some new take or perspective on why dems lost.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

fair enough!

for what it’s worth i’m probably one of the people you thought was a russian troll. so here’s some blame for old time’s sake: Biden is partially responsible for the estimated 200k deaths in Gaza and still has blood on his hands. i voted for Harris but like many i advocated for her to diverge from Biden on Gaza for her entire campaign.

[–] phdepressed 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That's not the view the people I'm talking about were voicing. The people I'm talking about were saying Biden/Harris or Trump would be the same for Gaza so they weren't going vote or were voting third party that way magically the blood isn't on their hands. "How is Trump worse for Gaza?" was a common response to calling them out.

This take of vote harris and advocate for her to do better on Gaza is not the take I was seeing and it's not one I have an issue with since it was my view as well. Espousing that view in those threads just resulted in obtuse takes per the above.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

ah also fair! I only assumed because i myself have also been accused of being a Russian operative many times

I guess the real "both sides" was all along just the answer to "who here works in a troll farm?" ;P

[–] [email protected] -3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Can you cite a few of said accounts so I can take a look?

They won't, it's a talking point they were always going to deploy and has nothing to do with evidence. Of course, political discourse was always going to die down after the election, and there's also several accounts they're not seeing because they got banned (lol). BlueAnon isn't based on reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

They see us speaking up in every thread like this and still... At ~~dinner~~ some point you get so sick of it you just stop responding because the election is over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Maybe I should just start talking about how all the pro-Kamala people suddenly disappeared after the election, proving that they were feds. Turns out you can just say stuff.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Of course there's absolutely evidence of pro-Republican, anti-Democrat manipulation. But find me evidence algorithm manipulation of pro-Palestine anti-Democrat sentiment. Otherwise you are doing some pretty hateful fearmongering.

The "everyone on here is a Russian bot" narrative here is so embarrassing. Get real.

[–] phdepressed 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I certainly didn't say everyone just that they're here and they enjoy stoking the flames. Propaganda is everywhere from all sides.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

The "sides" are not even remotely the same

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

All the .ml crap that is suddenly silent was often revealed to be pro-ccp accounts doing exactly that.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Go read old posts, I'm not here to spoon feed you out of your ignorance.