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A pittance for a second node really (feddit.uk)

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There are many types of Bluesky servers. This post is about ATProto Relays, which consolidate all the data across the network into a single location. They are necessary for efficiency, but they are extremely expensive to run. Currently, there is only one ATProto relay, but there is an initiative to launch a third-party relay.

[–] Supernova1051 10 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

In addition, it's estimated to current cost about $500 a month just to store the contents of a relay server. this doesn't include network or computer cost. this will only get more expensive and lead to big businesses being the only players. relays, being the "Post office" of bluesky, have the power to suppress whatever they don't like.

ActivityPub really is "for the people".

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

But can ActivityPub scale?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

Can AT Proto? It goes both ways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

ATProto Relays, which consolidate all the data across the network into a single location. They are necessary for efficiency

How? And the fediverse works the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Basically, on ATProto, everyone stores their own data on a PDS (Personal Data Server). This includes every post, image, video, follow, like, block, etc. The relay crawls the open web for PDSs to consolidate into a single stream of data.

From here, services can build off of that single data stream without needing to do any crawling of their own.

Of course, this does give the operator of the relay a lot of power. If they were to block your PDS, then only services relying on a different relay can access your data. This is especially why it is important that there exist independent third-party relays, but no one has taken up the mantle yet.

[–] merc 2 points 14 hours ago

The PDS design is a nice approach to making AT Proto distributed. But, the way they chose to operate relays means that the protocol requires massive investment to run.

The absolute minimum spend for a node right now, even with Bluesky still growing, is something like tens of thousands of dollars per year. If Bluesky does become the next Twitter, it will probably be $100k+ per year to run a relay. That means a company could run a relay, maybe a university could run one, but it's way out of the reach of anyone but the richest of individual users.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Can't someone theoretically make an Activitypub relay which hosts information from all private instances that federate with it? Like, how is this (AT Protocol) better

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

They already exist, they range from smaller webring like relays to ones that tie the major nodes together.