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Trump Sparks Constitutional Crisis, Seizing Budget Authority from Congress
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this post was submitted on 28 Jan 2025
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I think people are underestimating the seriousness of this action. He is effectively turning the civil service into his personal servants. Does congress even have a say in government anymore if this is allowed? Do the courts?
If Trump can effectively order government employees to do anything under threat of firing or worse, then is our situation meaningfully different from autocracy? This is an absolute emergency and I think people are not seeing the bigger picture here.
We need a plan to fight back against this, and I want to ask everyone to participate in whatever capacity they can. And please don’t give me any “ThE pLaN wAs VoTiNg” replies. We lost the election and we need to move on from this learned helplessness and figure out what comes next. We don’t have time to wait until the next election to fix this.
Sorry this is going to be harsh and i do apologize for that.
He is hitler2.0. this man is a fucking nazi in every way that matters.
Not just regular i didn't know how bad they were nazi, this dude literally owns and reads mein kampf, allegedly
But you know what it's not one person. He didn't get there on his own. Find the real pillars under this fucking disgusting sack of shit and remove them, dismantle your broken systems and fix this shit
It's fucking ridiculous that this is happening when there's so much we need to be working on collectively
This is literally in Project 2025.
Has anybody made a checklist?
Banned under Project 2025.
At this stage it will be challenged in the US courts as it is apparently unconstitutional and also illegal.
Supporting non-profits that use the legal system to hold the government to account is the way to go for now.
Also the scope of this remains unclear - it's possible that it will blow up in Trump's face when all the schemes that directly benefit voters disappear, including potentially medicaid. So everyone just needs to keep reminding people that "Trump did this" - make him own the shit that is coming.
Maybe. That is my main hope currently that the courts will at least pause this until it can be sorted out. But what then? Will the Supreme Court actually stand up to Trump even if this is clearly illegal? What if Trump just orders his flunkies to ignore the court orders? This is what I mean—we need to be ready for these possibilities.
I agree that supporting legal fights is a good idea but we need a diversity of strategies here. Mobilize on the streets. Contact congress, especially republicans and point out how this harms their constituents. Support federal employees in organized resistance against this takeover. And be ready to take more disruptive actions if they become necessary.
I am also afraid that many republican voters are too deep in the groupthink to see out of this. Trump can just make up some reason, no matter how flimsy or absurd that their problems are caused by the left and most will believe him. So I am not depending on them to save us, though we should be ready to work with any who will fight with us.
But ultimately I think the time of waiting for someone else to save us is over. It’s each of us or it’s no one.
This really worries me. At this point, he could completely mess up the country and the world (as he's trying hard to do), do it completely in the open, blame the democrats for the consequences, and his supporters would believe him. I don't think this will end well.
The supporters want collapse
Nah. What i think alot of people are missing is none of this is about the economy or politics. What happened is white folk got their tribe back. They won't give a shit as long as he's making America white again.
I for one hope the Chinese do better in their upcoming days and years as the global superpower than we did.
They won't
The Chinese are objectively worse. We're in danger of slipping into autocracy. They have had it for decades.
Ive heard literal lawyers, analyists start so many trump related topics with this sentance and let me tell you, the point where these serious actions were serious was around a year ago. The moment he was not arrested for coup attempt or when courts said "president can do literally anything" was the turning point and now you're just reaping the rewards. Yes they're all underestimated serious actions, no they are nowhere near as serious as the moment you destroyed entire democracy and justice system of the US. No outside of bombing the entire white house there is nothing you can do to stop your new president-for-life.
How long is this belief that trump will act on good faith and respect of the nation going to go on? Since this is literally the only thing stopping death camps, invasions and totalitarian faschism.
Federal politics is too wide and deep, too insulated from the average person, and too corrupted by special interests for any realistic plan (like a protest) to have the required effect. At least, that's my opinion. They'll either just get dismissed as a bunch of know-nothing goofs and bulldozed a la Occupy, or they'll be labelled as dangerous and cracked down upon with passion a la BLM.
My best, most actionable and practical advice is to write off the federal government completely. In my mind, they're essentially an occupying force at this point. Instead, focus on forming local networks and connections. Go to city council meetings, go to local advocacy groups, push for change that you want to see there, and organize with other folks there.
form an affinity group
I hate to be pessimistic but just how do you expect us to fix this? The only institutions who have any authority over his actions are controlled by people who have shown us time and again that they're willing to enable his ascent to autocracy and now they see the last election as proof that that's what the American people indeed want. This train effectively has no brakes.
Edit: typo
Yes. We've been betrayed. Our elected officials do not uphold oaths is office. Half the country no longer wants democracy, they got what they want, and democracy no longer matters. I'm just waiting for them to turn on each other because they are a bunch of sociopaths. But there's a lot of everyone else to fuck over before they start to factionalize. If we don't somehow take back the House and Senate both in two years, we could be in for a protracted darkness.
*ascent
2nd amendment exists for this sole reason.
The plan was all there for anyone to read on Project 25. The guy says he doesn’t know anything about it during the campaign. First week in office and lots of it is already implemented.
His "Agenda 47" was basically just project 2025 with less words.
His voters haven’t been effected yet, when that happens, then something will happen. Maybe.
At this point it's too late. He doesn't need them anymore :/
And “you won’t have to vote again”…
Every tyrant everywhere and across all of history needs at minimum the acquiescence of his subjects. If we’re going to resist this we need to wake people from this idea that’s been drilled into us that voting is the only way to change politics. It’s not and never has been.
This is something that I wish more people understood.
There is no amount of authoritarianism, no amount of tyranny, that can govern an ungovernable populace. Every nation, ultimately, has the government that enough people are willing to accept. The arc between tyranny and liberty can only move the line on what constitutes "enough".
Nah, they are too stupid, stubborn, mean-spirited, and oblivious to care. If they even notice they'll just blame the democrats as they always do.
Oh once that happens I imagine we'll get the "Second amendment people" who can "do something about that"
Of course. Somehow I’d forgotten about them. How silly.
Is everyone down to just not pay taxes this year?
I mean can you imagine...
Go as far as to change your filing status on your w-2s?
Real answer? All political systems are designed by us and can be discarded by us. Law is just a mandate for society enforced at the point of a gun. Under normal (non-US) circumstances, using our system, you could run impeachment through Congress, but Congress and the federal judiciary are completely corrupt and in on the same agenda. As a society we can just stop using this system - the only deciding factor is military and police force being on our side or theirs. That's why the military is such a rigid hierarchy, to try to make it an impossibility for the rule of this government to topple. But all social systems have human free will as their greatest flaw. Be prepared to explain to MAGAs and gun nuts how Trump is implementing Maoist totalitarianism with capitalist overtones, and how the government is the most un-American thing of all. This is a game of changing minds, which is how division among the people sowed the collapse of the society.