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"ThE aLlEgAtIoNs WeRe PrOvEn To Be FaLsE By aN iNdEPeNdEnT tHiRd-PaRtY iNvEsTiGaTiOn."
Then don't watch LTT
At the end of the day you are under no obligation to support LTT.
Well yeah. That's what I'm doing.
That's... How it works? They didn't inspect themselves and pat themselves on the back, but brought in pros, and worked with them and avidwd by their findings?
They set a very high bar in this one specific area.
Admittedly didn't look to closely, but weren't they the ones funding the third party investigation group? Seems like conflict of interest, I mean those findings would seem legit if the third party was agreed to by both sides.
Third parties don't investigate for free
or I guess they do sometimes if you go to the police, but ymmw
Not saying that, they could still fund them, but it would have to be an third party that both sides agree to
How would someone better address a situation like that?
Open up to some third party coming in and publicly investigate and share their findings. Wasn't this entire investigation behind closed doors with LMG giving the final "Yeah they said we're good" message?
If that's the case, that's like me being accused of a crime and hiring my own prosecutor, judge, and jury in a closed court. No shit I'm gonna say I did nothing wrong lol.
Ah yes. โSomeone said she was harassed. Letโs post all of the investigation details publicly.โ
That will go well. Thereโs zero chance that it could backfire and turn a victim into a target, or suppress future victims from speaking out because the last person to do so got doxxed /s
Situations like this need to be handled with discretion so that you can avoid re-victimizing anyone who was wronged. Even if the original victim was found to be crying wolf, thereโs still a victim somewhere who was wronged; The person/people they accused, for instance.
Okay, fair. When I said public, I didn't mean to say publicly share every single detail. Obviously, there needs to be discretion. That said, the fact that all flow of information was via LMG themselves means there's absolutely zero chance they will say there is any wrongdoing.
Another way to look at it is that they already had a media company with an established viewer base and reach, and they used it to broadcast the investigation details as widely as possible while still maintaining privacy for everyone involved. What would you have them do, get the investigation company to post the โall clearโ message somewhere that nobody will ever see it? They already had a soapbox, so they used it; They likely didnโt see any need to reinvent the wheel when they already had a way to broadcast the message.
Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Random people have absolutely no right to see the details of that report.
Shit - I work in the public sector where people can demand to see the co tents of my phone, but there are classes of information we do not share. Specifically, we don't share details regarding active litigation, property negotiation, or personnel matters.
You can't share that kind of stuff. There is a victim somewhere, if it's the accuser/ accused being the victim or the accuser being a victim of their own behavior.
That he paid good money for.
Thats how that works no? Who should pay for it?
Preferably, these 3rd party investigations should be done by a regulated entity, chosen by a 3rd party that the business being investigated has no say in, with no contact between the chosen investigative party and the business being investigated until the investigation has started.
So yes, you are correct that LTT needs to be the ones to pay for the investigation, but they shouldn't be allowed to know who they were paying until after the fact, and they certainly should not be allowed to choose who they paid.
There would need to be a legal complaint for a regulatory body correct? A legal complaint was never made.
Torvalds's history of verbal abuse is well documented in public mailing list archives.
I can't speak about whatever happened behind closed doors at LTT nor am I defending anything by LTT but Torvalds is not sunshine and rainbows either.
I won't argue with you there. Don't get me wrong, Linus Torvald's contribution to the world is huge. And the Linux kernel being an open source project, I'm sure he had to deal with his share of angry dickwads.
In his defence, he did take a break and did some anger management therapy.
But, if he's an angry asshole, than that's what it is. I still prefer an tolerant and inclusive asshole than one that won't own up to his mistakes and make women feel physically threatened.
So the real choice here is between a shit sandwich or a douche.
what did they do? im lost
A former LTT employee made claims of sexual harassment and poor working environment. LTT paid a third party to investigate those claims and unsurprisingly didn't find evidence that supported those claims. A lot of LTT stans use this as "evidence" that the accuser was lying. Assuming that is clearly false logic, investigating yourself isn't proof of innocence.
Usually it's frowned upon to demand that people prove their innocence. We've tried that system and a bunch of innocent people ended up dead
Failing to find evidence of course also doesn't mean it didn't happen, only that we don't know, because there's, you know, not enough evidence
I agree.
When you're the size of LMG you don't hire investigative law firms for PR; you do it for liability. The goal is to limit corporate liability by removing individuals likely to get you sued, and most importantly to distance leadership from it with plausible deniability. The firm also has its own reputation to consider, and wouldn't let a client get away with materially misrepresenting their results.
I don't think its unreasonable to suggest that a positive finding from an investigative firm is evidence to support their position that they, materially, did nothing wrong. The fact that no one was fired as a result of that investigation is a good sign externally, as it would open them up to more liability if they knew about it and did nothing.
Adding to this, at least publicly, they stated that regardless of the outcome, the situation highlighted changes that needed to be made within their organization. IIRC, they didn't produce anything for bit while they "addressed the issues." I recall a YT video of Linus explaining all that. Take it for what it's worth.
Personally, I think it's likely that something happened that offended a former employee. That thing may or may not have been a misunderstanding, but either way, the employee felt harassed. I can't fault how LMG handled it. Any other company would've responded similarly. I'm not saying they did the "bare minimum." I'm saying, to me, their response seemed reasonable.
Not being held legally liable โ Nothing happened
Afaik the report that was done was not made public. If one side paid for the investigation and controls all the info in said investigation then it can't be used as proof of innocence.
Meaning what? What would the company doing the investigation do is if the claims that someone said:
Where true? How would one even prove that actually happened to them? The Investigation Company surely signed an NDA and had no legal ability to release any info found in says investigation right? If they started releasing info that accusations where in fact true they would lose all their business immediately right?
Good lord. what happened this time?
I think a group of people found a dead horse they like beating. They enjoy it, so they will keep going.
I just hate fanboys who'll defend someone famous tooth and nail no matter what, like that person can do no wrong. I'm just so tired of this. Whether it's Linus fans or Musk fans or whatever.
I used to love what LTT did, NGL. I really enjoyed their channel. I also had my reservations at first when I heard that girl's story. But looking a little further I found they didn't treat their employees nicely, especially if they were women. And Linus' attitude towards the people he wronged really irked me. So fuck him.
And every time I mentioned that story, the little fan boys come out of the woodwork and all reply with that same stupid comment. We don't know how that company, that LMG paid for, did their investigation, we don't know what evidence was presented to them, so what do we really know about this invetigation? Just because they didn't find anything doesn't mean nothing wrong was done.