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[–] xmunk 116 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Violence really, really fucking sucks.

It may be necessary, but if there's any other option you should look to that first. If it legitimately comes to violence a lot of innocent people are going to suffer in a big way.

[–] [email protected] 126 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

There were other options. I think those other options failed at this point in time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago

His spokesperson in Italy said that he meant to say "I give my heart to you" with that gesture. I mean, dude, just own it up. It's not like there would have been any repercussion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I wonder what he is thinking, that is odd looking face

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's the face of effort. Dude probably doesn't get off of the computer chair very much, and lifting his arms above the 'loose hang, elbows bent, wrists resting on desk' takes a lot of effort, and thus the grimace from struggling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Nah, it's just drugs. I mean, I think Elon Musk strikes me as a person who'd love to have the... for the lack of a better word, "courage" to perform the Nazi salute under such circumstances when actually totally sober, but a guy that had to fake Path of Exile 2 success is simply not gonna throw a Nazi salute on stage, even in front of people he sees as supports and loyalists.

I wonder if that absolutely bizarre specimen has been truly sober in last years. Or ever, if we count being high up your own ass as an altered state.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Why haven't i seen this side by side with Nazis? Or him put in the rally or along side Hitler etc?

These all seem like simple edits

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Well that's a little on the nose isn't it.

It's a weird salute he's doing there that guy on the left.

Some kind of awkward excitement reaction i guess.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

His heart really goes to his people, doesn't it?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I feel like violence is evangelized online in odd ways.

The class that suffers the most in violent uprisings is the lowest class. By orders of magnitude. For every member of the bourgeois that is taken down, tens or hundred or thousands of every day people are injured or killed.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

But it's already happening. They're already suffering.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

"They" (we) aren't being killed en masse.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Take it from us who dont live in a country built on liebensraum created by genociding the native population and has spent all its VERY short existance not knowing tyranny or how to separate church, state and private companies.

Classless society leads to death of millions and classed society. Lowest class loves killing lowest class. Once the preceived opressors run out more will be found. People wanting violence want it for selfish reason. The guy calling to kill all landlords today will be raping your small daughter in a state organized torture dungeon tomorrow. Yes its graphic, yes this is what you get when you want mass violence, stop pretending otherwise and buying into propaganda of evil people.

This is how it has always been, and always will be. Slow social reforms is the way to get what you want. Violence just creates more violence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I agree with your anti-violence stance, but can't ignore the reasoning behind it.

I don't believe there's some special class that either accumulates or breeds violence. I don't believe that the "lowest" class, whatever that might be, is fixed on killing its kin. The people ruling Nazi Germany certainly weren't the "lowest" class when they were making their impactful decisions, many of which killed members of other classes, not theirs.

Neither Trump nor Musk are "low" class, yet they tend to hold the more absurd and anti-human views, separating people into worthy and not-so-much and believing they can make destinies.

There are dangerous people in our world, which are often attracted by power, often any sort of power they can rise to. Violence included.

Regardless, violence only breeds violence, for so many reasons that no comment can hold. Violence traumatizes and creates examples and "Why can't I, too?.." questions, etc.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago

Peace as a choice is only possible when the option of violence exists.