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Been through this before, so I know it gets better eventually, but what do you folks generally do to optimize beddy-bye time? To the insomniacs, what are some things you do in the wee hours/early morning for a relaxing start to your day?

This morning's choice is checking out the music of Casiopea - saw them mentioned in a meme here recently, then later on saw one of my favourite gig spaces has a great local fusion jazz band doing a show covering them at the end of the month. Very chill, feels like menu music of a mid-90s Japanese 3D game in a very good way, lol. Funny how these things happen sometimes, kinda like seeing the car model you just bought everywhere on the road shortly after purchase.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As an extra, I take one shot of liquor an hour before I go to bed. After an hour all the alcohol is metabolized (do not go to sleep with a measurable blood alcohol level!) so I’m relaxed and mellow and ready for sleep.

It might help get to sleep, but it harms the quality of your sleep. So does my ambien of course, but less so than alcohol, as it's actually a pharmaceutical designed for that. But it is a drug to get to sleep, primarily.

https://www.wmchealth.org/blogs/the-truth-about-nightcaps-ditch-the-drink-get-a-go-783

Alcohol interferes with the crucial rapid eye movement (REM) sleep stage, impacting memory, learning and mood.

Get some sort of cheap health wristband activity thingy if you want to follow your sleep better. I've liked mine, got it last year for 39€. It shows the amount of REM, deep and light sleeps. It might be that you do sleep better with a single drink, but generally science does tend to agree that it reduces quality of sleep. However a few times when I've been properly drunk, I've actually slept like twice as much and thus gotten more REM sleep, and felt more relaxed when I woke up. But I would say that alcohol does reduce my quality of sleep most of the time, even if it doesn't necessarily feel like that.

But again, not judging I don't know what works for you and I take ambien pretty much every night so that's pretty comparable to one shot imo

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It might help get to sleep, but it harms the quality of your sleep.

It harms the quality of your sleep if it's still in your system. Which is why I warned specifically against that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're thinking that when you don't have alcohol in your blood and it's broken down by your body, that "it's not in your system"? The breakdown produces for instance acetaldehyde and then further into acetate. That's why people get hangovers and are still sick a long time after the buzz has worn off and there's no alcohol in their blood.

If you drink alcohol today, the metabolites are still detectable in urine for a few days. No-one just ever tests for those, but actual BAC.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can detect metabolites of almost anything in urine and/or stool for days. That's not the question here. The question is do these metabolites interfere with sleep?

From personal experience I know it's a REALLY bad idea to sleep with any measurable blood alcohol content. When I've done that, I fall asleep quickly but I wake up feeling more tired than when I fell asleep. When I let it metabolize first, the quality of the sleep improves dramatically. So it sounds like acetaldehyde and acetate don't impact my sleep negatively at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And from science I know it affects the quality of your sleep.

You do whatever you like but don't argue against science with some shitty reasoning you made up. That really screams alcohol problem.

So it sounds like acetaldehyde and acetate don't impact my sleep negatively at all.

Oh yes you just must be immune and the science is wrong, gotcha

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The modern version of "it is written in scripture" is "studies say".

The modern equivalent of "I'm a flaming asshole" is to attribute negative characteristics like "alcohol problem" without evidence. (Ironically this is also anti-science, but let's not sprain what passes for your brain too strongly here.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Ah yes "who cares about your science, this is what I feel like", as if subjective experiences have never fooled anyone?

The plural or anecdote isn't evidence.

It's not "without evidence" and I didn't attribute it to you. Don't you think I take care to take breaks from my meds to see that I don't have a) a physical dependency b) a psychological need (addiction)? It's not always possible, as sleeping is then slightly harder, but I try to test that out with at least a few week break every year, because it's healthy.

You do realise the nature of addiction is such that when you actually suffer from it, you'll make yourself believe you don't?

It reminds me of those people who adamantly demand that caffeine has zero effect on them (as they drink it frequently and still sleep and don't notice effects from it.) While everyone around them is annoyed to fuck by their constant jittering and foot tapping.

I'm not saying you have a problem. But alcohol does reduce your quality of sleep. Your "but I don't feel that way" won't discredit all the science which shows it does. Sorry. I'm not telling what to do or judging you in any way ffs.