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Read some Mussolini and read some Marx and then explain to me how those two ideologies are in any way similar. Also read some history about how libs always enable fascism by trying to posit the exact point your making right now. It’s literally how Germany rose to fascism. They were not labeling themselves as reds or communists. They were labeling themselves as socialists.
They aren't. But MLs have very little respect for Marx, whatever their claims, and eagerly contradict even the most basic Marxist assertions at every turn, save for anything critical of the bourgeois. 'Red fash' does not mean 'All reds are fascists', it means 'Fascists who use red aesthetics' - like, say... someone who thinks Xi and Stalin are good left models, as in the screenshot put in the OP.
What are you even trying to say here.
Xi and Stalin are not good models. We can agree on this. But to label them as fascists is to totally misunderstand what the word fascism means.
As to your second point, I really don’t know how to spell it out more plainly. But I’ll try. You said that fascists labelling themselves as communists have been successful in installing fascist regimes. This is patently false, and I used the most famous example of that to make my point.
According to Mussolini, fascism is the merger of state and corporations. Sounds like state capitalism to me.
Palingenetic ultranationalism under totalitarian regimes that hit most of the 14 points of Umberto Eco's ur-fascism.
What more do you want? I can quote the Fascist Manifesto if you like too, and demonstrate how it applies to Stalin and Xi, even though the Manifesto itself is only marginally coherent.
You think it's false because you deny that the Stalinist regime was fascist.
I still don't know what point you think you're making.