I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).
this post was submitted on 14 Dec 2024
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Well, except Ukraine is a unified and largely homogeneous nation with no threat of extremism and factionalism if they either win or at least keep their sovereignty intact after the war. The Middle East and Afghanistan have completely different culture, history, dynamics and variables unlike Ukraine, which is why supporting rebels there proved more troublesome and complicated.
The Ukrainian government has banned political opposition, enaged in censorship, and even banned a religion. In addition they're an extremely corrupt government, they're so corrupt that under any normal circumstances they wouldn't be allowed in the EU or NATO.
And just like that, they come out of the woodwork!
Pointing out Ukrainian censorship makes me a tankie? Or the fact that they're an objectively corrupt government? Do you even know who you're supporting or are you just supporting the popular thing™?
Every country does this. It is up to you to prove that this censorship is wrong. From what I have read banning a religious cult and pseudo Russian political parties is what any sane country would do.
Accusations of corruption can be leveled at every country. A lot of Ukraine's corruption can be traced to Russian gangsters. Russia, just like Ukraine is incredibly corrupt only they have not tried to reform like Ukraine has.
The corruption is also woven into economics. For instance doctors are paid bribes because they don't make very much money. Citizens of the Ukraine often feel it is their duty to engage in this because they want to pay doctors what they are worth.
This was a good read about Ukraine's corruption and paints a very different picture about the corruption. It is really a cultural thing left over from the Soviet Union.
https://2017-2020.usaid.gov/sites/default/files/documents/1863/Changing%20Corrupt%20Behaviors%20Assessment%20Oct.%202015.pdf
Usual Kremlin drivel. Somehow being a corrupt country makes it excusable to be invaded.
Ukraine is at war, any country at war would have censorship. The Allies in World War 2 also enforced censorship but are you going to say they deserve to fight the Nazis? Russia also has censorship even before the war, and now arrests anti-war Russians.
Why is it that those who bring up Ukraine's "corruption and censorship", never mentions Russia's own corruption and censorship? As if being corrupt warrants being invaded. You are doing exactly what this meme pokes fun at: victim blaming. Accuse the enemy of which you are guilty of, am I right?
Ukraine did not "ban" a religion, they banned the Moscow-affiliated Russian Eastern Orthodox church for being openly pro-Putin. Ukrainians and Russians share the same religion: Eastern Orthodox. But the religion is more decentralised and many groups have their own country jurisdictions. Ever since the fall of Byzantine, the Eastern Orthodox set up shop in Russia and in surrounding areas. And ever since then the Russian Eastern Orthodox had been kissing ass of whoever is in charge in Kremlin. As someone mentioned, a priest on the Russian side even blessed nuclear weapons.
If you are not a tankie, you are certainly being manipulated to become a useful idiot. Always view things with a critical eye.
They banned a religion?
They banned the Russian Orthodox sect of Christianity.
The same one that blesses Russia's nuclear weapons.
I'd ban such a dangerous cult too.
Yeah, I am inclined not to call that a ban on
a religionif it's just a specific part of a religionI'd say it's debatable if it's the same religion as Christianity when they're blessing nukes, but regardless, I was just explaining what they were probably talking about when they were saying that Ukraine banned a religion.
Yeah, I understand that, and regarding blessing nukes, they really went full Warhammer on it
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/24/europe/ukraine-zelensky-orthodox-church-ban-intl/index.html
Oh, you mean they banned these guys?
I can't imagine why!
For the same reason these guys now ban anyone in their ranks who talks about Christians being peaceful 😅