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That’s certainly part of it. There are also those on the far left that would rather see acceleration towards collapse over another moderate in office. They may not have the numbers, but that doesn’t stop the message from affecting undecided voters.
I wouldn't have described myself that way before this election but I might now. It's time for America as we know it to cease to exist. I'm not sure what form that should take but this clearly isn't working anymore.
You cannot have America "cease to exist" on its own. Trump will fuck over America, and make it more barbaric in both foreign and domestic affairs, but it will not "stop being America". I'm sick and tired of people saying "this isn't America!" when the United States deposes a democratically-elected candidate again, or when its "democracy" gives people the choice between two war-hawks again, or when the FBI spies on people against their will again, or enacts huge tax cuts again, and so on. Sure, since Kamala is slightly less American, I chose Kamala because of harm reduction. But what I want you all to understand is this:
I don't want the America of the 1990's. I don't want the America of the 1950's. I don't want the America of the 1920's, or the 1890's, or the 1850's, or some fever-dreamt America "that will someday happen". I want NO America. I want NO United States Federal Government.
Sure, Russia and China are bad. But I will not acquiesce to the US military for the sake of fending them off. US democracy has never put people in control of their government; instead, it's been about two warmongers promising to keep things as they are. Ever since 2016, voting has been an act of begging.
Instead of voting to give the government their say, people vote to beg the government not to make draconian laws. Any state will have a happier, freer people if they secede from the Union, defend themselves successfully, and make a fresh start.
Edit: Meant to press "Preview" and pressed something else.
I may not agree with all of your points, but well done in the presentation. Comes across as reasoned and thought out instead of the irl people I interract with that downplay the severity of how this will affect the average and non-average US citizen.
What do you disagree with?
The states having freer, happier people if they seceede. Some of the states have people in charge that I believe would be more exreeme or more crafty in achieving permanent power for themselves. I'd like to be optimistic, but the number of people who agree with Trump's rhetoric and my previous coworker who said they were excited at the idea of a civil war has tempered my positivity.
Something good is here, but I'd still want something to balance the power of those in charge of each state. I definitely agree that the power balance between state and federal right now is all screwed up by the two party system, bad faith actors, and too much distance from the public.
That was a great answer. I didn't realize that state governors could be as bad as Trump, with all the exposés on him.
Piss baby Ted Cruze and destructive toddler Newt Gengrich both come to mind.
Edit: and don't get me started on the Oklahoma senators. Actively sabatoging education and sowing election distrust.