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I see things like this all the time on the fediverse. There's this sentiment that reddit sucks and it's nothing but bots and shithousery, but for some people they still want that crowd to migrate here.
I think Lemmy needs to let go of the idea of the "good" parts of reddit transferring here and everyone miraculously behaving differently, because it just isn't going to happen. The people left on reddit are there because that's the experience they want. Trying to import them en masse to Lemmy again is just going to bring more irritation and frustration IMO.
I think Lemmy would be better served working to improve and develop the communities they already have through users that are already here. Find ways to make your interests appealing to others. Be active in ways and places you usually wouldn't, and Lemmy will grow up around us organically. None of these social media giants have anything of substance to offer their huge user bases besides the niche communities you guys are missing, and that's why people spend so much time doomscrolling.
What we are missing is that someone on Reddit took the time to get these communities going too. Reddit wasn't an instant success, it took the efforts of the early membership to drive engagement and user growth. Lemmy is obsessed with the idea of short cutting this step to steal members from other networks, and that's silly.
No one is going to leave a well designed botnet social media for a black hole called the fediverse. In order to gain more meaningful membership we must first prove that Lemmy is worth overcoming the barriers to enter and engage with the people that are already here. Once the rest of the internet finds out we're cool, they'll show up.
"Reddit is awful. How do we move that here?"
We simply don't need Reddit users. We need Lemmy users who desire to start communities. Lemmy is Reddit 10 years ago, and that's just fine.
I mean it's not THAT good, but it's sure better than Reddit today.
@fmstrat @FrostyTrichs My problem with both Reddit and Lemmy is that they don't let people delete their posts entirely. I liked Reddit until I learned this. It's a basic feature that I don't understand not including.
For me - and i am new - the whole point of lemmy is less people, less content to scroll, and more quality. If lemmy was reddit, i would leave lemmy too
There's nothing wrong with this approach either but I'd remind you and anyone else seeking this experience that Lemmy is infinitely more customizable for this than reddit ever was. The ability to block users, communities, instances, etc can be invaluable. Some instances also don't federate with everyone so it's fairly easy to find a smaller space that isn't so busy if the larger instances are too much.
Lemmy gets a lot of shit, and deservedly so at times, but there are already some very handy tools in the kit for curating your feed to your liking.
But some features don't make sense or seem half-assed, like blocking instances at user level, it should also block every user from that instance, but for some weird reason it doesn't, you don't see the post from that instance, but posts on other instances made by those users and comments from users of that instance are still visible... So we are still forced into instance jumping until we find one that aligns with what we deem acceptable... And that could take a while.
Or the fact that Lemmy users talk a lot about privacy but the delete function doesn't really delete the content as it can be easily restored at any moment.
Sure! But, in this case Lemmy is literally a federated copypasta of Reddit, like Madtodon is of X.
Therefore, I think Lemmy is already a few steps ahead, due to the existing familiarity how communities/subs are supposed to be used.
So it's not we're starting from scratch... It's just getting rid of the annoyances of Reddit.
Take Mastodon/BlueSky as an example. People are already familiar withbthe concept of how to use it.
This is being overly simplistic IMO. Lemmy is not a direct copy paste of reddit, just the idea is the same. Lemmy is missing many of the tools reddit has come to depend on for things like moderation and community engagement. The idea is the same but the framework is different and that comes with its own challenges.
Lemmy is a good enough platform for now and for future growth. It wasn't a drop in replacement for reddit when the exodus happened and it isn't a drop in replacement now, but it's closer. There are still lots of little things- quality of life improvements, moderation improvements, discovery improvements, etc that need to be tuned or fixed before Lemmy is ready to shoulder millions of active users, but that doesn't mean it isn't worthy of the effort today.
The beautiful part of the fediverse is we're all free to form our own ideas about how it's best grown and supported. If there's something you are passionate about there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from spinning up a community or instance about it and creating the niche communities everyone seems to miss. It all takes time, and individual and group efforts.
But he's not wrong on a practical level, the content is almost the same on reddit and here, even the memes are being reposted from there to here and then reposted over and over.
To me, seeing the same content multiple times on the All feed makes it seem emptier, like I can just check it once a day and I won't be missing anything. I blame the accounts that post content on multiple instances/communities instead of posting once and letting it federate and the reposters who just recycle content over and over... maybe those who keep blindly upvoting too.
A normal user doesn't have any incentive to leave reddit if they are going to find the same things.
Yeeeeah no, as I said on another comment, creating a new instance requires some kind of investment, might be monetary, learn a new skillset or dedicating time to keeping it up, it's not something anyone can do/afford and as time goes on, it might escalate if you plan to preserve everything.
A new community... maybe, but then you're gonna have to go instance jumping until you find one that fits you and it might be quick or you might never find one.
Yes but we're also more mastodon less bluesky. If a bluesky-esque clone of Reddit comes along with better UX and paving over the issues of federation then it will win, the way Bluesky has beaten out Mastodon as the Twit alternate
But, that's not relevant to communities. You can kill a community by technical means, but technical means cannot create one; it's necessary but not sufficient, and not even the hard part.
Most people are still on fucking FACEBOOK. They are willing to put up with almost unlimited bullshittery for the sake of their sense of community. Building a better mousetrap won't work, and building a vaguely equivalent mousetrap won't even move the needle.
If federation works the way it's claimed to, then if we migrate even the bad parts of reddit here it should be fine.
Lemmy is turning into an elitist cesspool.